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	<title>Comments on: To campaign finance &#8216;reformers,&#8217; we are a nation of lemmings</title>
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		<title>By: If Hypocrisy is the Target, MoveOn.org Has Hit the Bull’s-Eye</title>
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		<dc:creator>If Hypocrisy is the Target, MoveOn.org Has Hit the Bull’s-Eye</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] attitude that is at the heart of all criticism of Citizens United: Most of the public is made up of idiots, and they’ll vote however corporations tell them [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] attitude that is at the heart of all criticism of Citizens United: Most of the public is made up of idiots, and they’ll vote however corporations tell them [...]
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		<title>By: richardhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>richardhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats what just happened. The governments influence (that means yours) over corporations just went to zero. Corporate influence over government (that means you) just went stratospheric.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats what just happened. The governments influence (that means yours) over corporations just went to zero. Corporate influence over government (that means you) just went stratospheric.
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		<title>By: bladernr1001</title>
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		<dc:creator>bladernr1001</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 05:48:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If want to decrease the influence of corporations or unions on government.....the only way that is going to get done is to reduce the influence that government has over these entities.  Violating the first amendment was never a good way to blunt this mess we have put ourselves into.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If want to decrease the influence of corporations or unions on government&#8230;..the only way that is going to get done is to reduce the influence that government has over these entities.  Violating the first amendment was never a good way to blunt this mess we have put ourselves into.
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		<title>By: ivanapuke</title>
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		<dc:creator>ivanapuke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As it turns out corporations are tired of congress calling them for contributions. Oh did I say contributions I meant free speech. Heres what some corporations are saying.
“Members of Congress already spend too much time raising money from large contributors,” the business executives’ letter says. “And often, many of us individually are on the receiving end of solicitation phone calls from members of Congress. With additional money flowing into the system due to the court’s decision, the fundraising pressure on members of Congress will only increase.&quot;
Seems they are free to speak its just that nobody is listening.
Heres the link to the source.
http://thinkprogress.org/

This is for a petition these corporations advocate to curtail the problem.
https://secure3.convio.net/change/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&amp;page=UserAction&amp;id=545</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As it turns out corporations are tired of congress calling them for contributions. Oh did I say contributions I meant free speech. Heres what some corporations are saying.<br />
“Members of Congress already spend too much time raising money from large contributors,” the business executives’ letter says. “And often, many of us individually are on the receiving end of solicitation phone calls from members of Congress. With additional money flowing into the system due to the court’s decision, the fundraising pressure on members of Congress will only increase.&#8221;<br />
Seems they are free to speak its just that nobody is listening.<br />
Heres the link to the source.<br />
<a target="_blank" href="http://thinkprogress.org/"   rel="nofollow">http://thinkprogress.org/</a></p>
<p>This is for a petition these corporations advocate to curtail the problem.<br />
<a target="_blank" href="https://secure3.convio.net/change/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&#038;page=UserAction&#038;id=545"   rel="nofollow">https://secure3.convio.net/change/site/Advocacy?cmd=display&#038;page=UserAction&#038;id=545</a>
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		<title>By: richardhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>richardhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 16:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where in hades is the conservative voice, is it now incorporated? 
Come on guys read the dissenting opinion here are some excerpts.

the Court’s opinion is thus a rejection of the common sense of the American people, who have recognized a need to prevent corporations from undermining self government since the founding, and who have fought against the distinctive corrupting potential of corporate electioneering since the days of Theodore Roosevelt. 

It will undoubtedly cripple the ability of ordinary citizens, Congress, and the States to adopt even limited measures to protect against corporate domination of the electoral process. Americans may be forgiven if they do not feel the Court has advanced the cause of self-government today. 

Politicians who fear that a certain corporation can make or break their reelection chances may be cowed into silence about that corporation. On a variety of levels, unregulated corporate electioneering might diminish the ability of citizens to “hold officials accountable to the people,” 

The distinctive threat to democratic integrity posed by corporate domination of politics was recognized at “the inception of the republic” and “has been a persistent theme in American political life” ever since. 

Unlike voters in U. S. elections, corporations may be foreign controlled.

It disregards our constitutional history and the fundamental demands of a democratic society.

The Framers ... Unlike our colleagues, they had little trouble distinguishing corporations from human beings,and when they constitutionalized the right to free speech in the First Amendment, it was the free speech of individual Americans that they had in mind.

The whole thing is here
 http://assets.sunlightfoundation.com/pdf/08-205.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where in hades is the conservative voice, is it now incorporated?<br />
Come on guys read the dissenting opinion here are some excerpts.</p>
<p>the Court’s opinion is thus a rejection of the common sense of the American people, who have recognized a need to prevent corporations from undermining self government since the founding, and who have fought against the distinctive corrupting potential of corporate electioneering since the days of Theodore Roosevelt. </p>
<p>It will undoubtedly cripple the ability of ordinary citizens, Congress, and the States to adopt even limited measures to protect against corporate domination of the electoral process. Americans may be forgiven if they do not feel the Court has advanced the cause of self-government today. </p>
<p>Politicians who fear that a certain corporation can make or break their reelection chances may be cowed into silence about that corporation. On a variety of levels, unregulated corporate electioneering might diminish the ability of citizens to “hold officials accountable to the people,” </p>
<p>The distinctive threat to democratic integrity posed by corporate domination of politics was recognized at “the inception of the republic” and “has been a persistent theme in American political life” ever since. </p>
<p>Unlike voters in U. S. elections, corporations may be foreign controlled.</p>
<p>It disregards our constitutional history and the fundamental demands of a democratic society.</p>
<p>The Framers &#8230; Unlike our colleagues, they had little trouble distinguishing corporations from human beings,and when they constitutionalized the right to free speech in the First Amendment, it was the free speech of individual Americans that they had in mind.</p>
<p>The whole thing is here<br />
 <a target="_blank" href="http://assets.sunlightfoundation.com/pdf/08-205.pdf"   rel="nofollow">http://assets.sunlightfoundation.com/pdf/08-205.pdf</a>
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		<title>By: parisda</title>
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		<dc:creator>parisda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Jan 2010 00:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am no genius, and Bert Gall is a high paid(I assume) lawyer, but one of us is utterly clueless. Am I wrong to understand that the new ruling removes the monetary limits that corporations may spend in their lobbying efforts? Like I said, I may be clueless on this. But if that&#039;s what the ruling is, then Mr. Gall must be saying that Lobbying is not a problem, the more, the better? Is that right? Or am I in left field again? So, in the case of health care reform, for example, if corporations would have been able to spend even more millions than they already had while the voting public watched in amazement, then health care reform would have been passed already because it would in all likelihood been crafted with the full support, and to the complete benefit of health care providers, pharmaceuticals, and Republicans? I see. Answered my own question. Thank you Judiciary Branch for making our future brighter!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am no genius, and Bert Gall is a high paid(I assume) lawyer, but one of us is utterly clueless. Am I wrong to understand that the new ruling removes the monetary limits that corporations may spend in their lobbying efforts? Like I said, I may be clueless on this. But if that&#8217;s what the ruling is, then Mr. Gall must be saying that Lobbying is not a problem, the more, the better? Is that right? Or am I in left field again? So, in the case of health care reform, for example, if corporations would have been able to spend even more millions than they already had while the voting public watched in amazement, then health care reform would have been passed already because it would in all likelihood been crafted with the full support, and to the complete benefit of health care providers, pharmaceuticals, and Republicans? I see. Answered my own question. Thank you Judiciary Branch for making our future brighter!
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		<title>By: jerrybiii</title>
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		<dc:creator>jerrybiii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 17:51:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corporations DO NOT have unalienable rights that have been bestowed upon them by God. The concept of &quot;unalienable rights&quot; is the foundation of our Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Corporations are covered under our Constitution because an activist, Progressive Supreme Court bestowed those unalienable rights upon corporations. 

So Mr. Gall, the lemming in this situation is you and those who think (or should I say don&#039;t think) like you. You have fallen for the same logic that gave us the 16th, 17th, and 18th amendments to the Constitution, the IRS, the Federal Reserve Bank, the League of Nations, the United Nations, Government-run education, the Ku Klux Klan, and oh, so much more.

Government + Corporations = Fascism.  Thank you SCOTUS. 

The Dems are screaming loudest, but ultimately they will benefit most.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corporations DO NOT have unalienable rights that have been bestowed upon them by God. The concept of &#8220;unalienable rights&#8221; is the foundation of our Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Corporations are covered under our Constitution because an activist, Progressive Supreme Court bestowed those unalienable rights upon corporations. </p>
<p>So Mr. Gall, the lemming in this situation is you and those who think (or should I say don&#8217;t think) like you. You have fallen for the same logic that gave us the 16th, 17th, and 18th amendments to the Constitution, the IRS, the Federal Reserve Bank, the League of Nations, the United Nations, Government-run education, the Ku Klux Klan, and oh, so much more.</p>
<p>Government + Corporations = Fascism.  Thank you SCOTUS. </p>
<p>The Dems are screaming loudest, but ultimately they will benefit most.
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		<title>By: rbiii</title>
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		<dc:creator>rbiii</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What all the opponents of this decision are complaining about are the potential consequences of free speech.  The ruling only addressed speech.  Nothing else has changed. Corps still can&#039;t work directly with campaigns, still are capped as to how much they can give, etc.

The section of the law that was struck down only dealt with the suppression of free speech. If you want to avoid all these potential consequences, pass laws to regulate the CONSEQUENCES or potential pitfalls, not the Free Speech itself.

The author of this piece is dead on. What all you naysayers are admitting is that you think everyone is too stupid to see a campaign ad and decide for themselves who they want to back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What all the opponents of this decision are complaining about are the potential consequences of free speech.  The ruling only addressed speech.  Nothing else has changed. Corps still can&#8217;t work directly with campaigns, still are capped as to how much they can give, etc.</p>
<p>The section of the law that was struck down only dealt with the suppression of free speech. If you want to avoid all these potential consequences, pass laws to regulate the CONSEQUENCES or potential pitfalls, not the Free Speech itself.</p>
<p>The author of this piece is dead on. What all you naysayers are admitting is that you think everyone is too stupid to see a campaign ad and decide for themselves who they want to back.
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		<title>By: nocorporatepersonhood</title>
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		<dc:creator>nocorporatepersonhood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:54:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You also kinda sound like a rich d bag that maybe never traveled to poor countries.   

How many people read these articles?  The HP gets thousands of replies.  This is the twilight zone.

Remember when John Stewart admonished Tucker for not being a real journalist?  U Tube it.  Best moment in TV history.  Bow tie and all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You also kinda sound like a rich d bag that maybe never traveled to poor countries.   </p>
<p>How many people read these articles?  The HP gets thousands of replies.  This is the twilight zone.</p>
<p>Remember when John Stewart admonished Tucker for not being a real journalist?  U Tube it.  Best moment in TV history.  Bow tie and all.
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		<title>By: nocorporatepersonhood</title>
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		<dc:creator>nocorporatepersonhood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And I now did take the time to scan your post.  

Are you suggesting that foreigners who own stock in a multi-national corporation should have ANY infuluence over our government?

Sounds very ANTI -American</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And I now did take the time to scan your post.  </p>
<p>Are you suggesting that foreigners who own stock in a multi-national corporation should have ANY infuluence over our government?</p>
<p>Sounds very ANTI -American
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		<title>By: nocorporatepersonhood</title>
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		<dc:creator>nocorporatepersonhood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The biggest creator of jobs in the United States in small business.  I did not read beyond your first sentence because it seem you may not know the difference between a multi-nation corporation and a small mom and pop corporation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The biggest creator of jobs in the United States in small business.  I did not read beyond your first sentence because it seem you may not know the difference between a multi-nation corporation and a small mom and pop corporation
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		<title>By: truenorth</title>
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		<dc:creator>truenorth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 04:26:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Foreign owned corporations should be allowed voice their concerns regarding legislation ONLY WHEN each citizen of a foreign (to you) country whose life is in any way affected, pro or con, by the actions or intents of the US is accorded a vote in your elections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Foreign owned corporations should be allowed voice their concerns regarding legislation ONLY WHEN each citizen of a foreign (to you) country whose life is in any way affected, pro or con, by the actions or intents of the US is accorded a vote in your elections.
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		<title>By: galearner</title>
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		<dc:creator>galearner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jan 2010 03:04:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Corporations provide jobs.  If government proposes policies that hinder corporations function of creating products at a profit, then just who is to present the economic problems this would produce...other than the corporations who have the data to argue the case?  Having worked for a large corporation I learned first hand that economic hardship at the corporate level meant job reductions from top to bottom as corporate survival trumped &#039;social concern&#039; for retaining employees.

CEO&#039;s can go to jail for breaking the law...remember ENRON?  Do all corporate misdeeds get prosecuted?  NO, however this remains a constraint on corporate behavior which could be pursued with more intelligence than the bludgeon of large corporate tax burdens.

Even when corporations are foreign owned, they pay taxes on US profits.  They pay US wages to their employees, and they must voice their concerns regarding pending legislation!

Any notion that one can simply silence corporate concerns by law is misguided.  To allow legislation and taxation to be imposed without challenge will cause harm to the function of corporate business with attendant harm to the economy and worker well being.  Think long and hard about mandating silence concerning proposed legislation...it may not be in your best interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Corporations provide jobs.  If government proposes policies that hinder corporations function of creating products at a profit, then just who is to present the economic problems this would produce&#8230;other than the corporations who have the data to argue the case?  Having worked for a large corporation I learned first hand that economic hardship at the corporate level meant job reductions from top to bottom as corporate survival trumped &#8216;social concern&#8217; for retaining employees.</p>
<p>CEO&#8217;s can go to jail for breaking the law&#8230;remember ENRON?  Do all corporate misdeeds get prosecuted?  NO, however this remains a constraint on corporate behavior which could be pursued with more intelligence than the bludgeon of large corporate tax burdens.</p>
<p>Even when corporations are foreign owned, they pay taxes on US profits.  They pay US wages to their employees, and they must voice their concerns regarding pending legislation!</p>
<p>Any notion that one can simply silence corporate concerns by law is misguided.  To allow legislation and taxation to be imposed without challenge will cause harm to the function of corporate business with attendant harm to the economy and worker well being.  Think long and hard about mandating silence concerning proposed legislation&#8230;it may not be in your best interest.
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		<title>By: nocorporatepersonhood</title>
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		<dc:creator>nocorporatepersonhood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:45:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are missing a key point.  The constitution recognizes that we as real human beings are given certain unalienable rights that are given to us by God. (see declaration of independence)  By what good logic would an artificial entity created by humans fall in to that category as a person? 

Lets compare.

Real people die. Corporations can live forever.
Real people can suffer prison time if they break the law.  Corporations are subject to fines and can easily do a cost benefit analysis to see if it is worth breaking the law.
Corporations do not need to breath clean air or drink clean water so of course they care more about profits and not that.
A person can only contribute to our politics if they are a United States citizen....corporations can be owned by foreigners!!!!

As far as American&#039;s not being lemmings.....  American Idol, 100&#039;s of reality shows, rampant obesity, the constant need to acquire more and more things....yes your right advertising must not be working.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are missing a key point.  The constitution recognizes that we as real human beings are given certain unalienable rights that are given to us by God. (see declaration of independence)  By what good logic would an artificial entity created by humans fall in to that category as a person? </p>
<p>Lets compare.</p>
<p>Real people die. Corporations can live forever.<br />
Real people can suffer prison time if they break the law.  Corporations are subject to fines and can easily do a cost benefit analysis to see if it is worth breaking the law.<br />
Corporations do not need to breath clean air or drink clean water so of course they care more about profits and not that.<br />
A person can only contribute to our politics if they are a United States citizen&#8230;.corporations can be owned by foreigners!!!!</p>
<p>As far as American&#8217;s not being lemmings&#8230;..  American Idol, 100&#8242;s of reality shows, rampant obesity, the constant need to acquire more and more things&#8230;.yes your right advertising must not be working.
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		<title>By: murrayabraham</title>
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		<dc:creator>murrayabraham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 21:43:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If corporate money didn&#039;t help influencing elections, these corporations wouldn&#039;t spend it.

I wouldn&#039;t be surprised to find &quot;lawyers&quot; like you in a few years arguing that corporations should be able to sue for emotional distress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If corporate money didn&#8217;t help influencing elections, these corporations wouldn&#8217;t spend it.</p>
<p>I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised to find &#8220;lawyers&#8221; like you in a few years arguing that corporations should be able to sue for emotional distress.
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		<title>By: kevinh</title>
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		<dc:creator>kevinh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 19:39:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You propose one of the most egregious straw men I have ever seen.

All that is required to make this an destructive force for democracy is a few simple conditions.

Political Ads are able to BIAS elections. Here&#039;s where you rhetoric goes astray. Bias is not the same as completely control. I think anyone would be hard pressed to say that political advertising doesn&#039;t help bias an election.

Political advertising takes money. Pretty simple and straight forward.

Corporations and Unions have substantially more money than individuals.

Corporations and Unions do not represent the full diversity of American thought and belief.

Once all of these conditions are met, you are almost assured that votes and political action will be biased away from the true democratic will of the people towards the interests of groups such as corporations and unions.

While it probably won&#039;t bring our democracy to our knees, it is clear it weakens our democracy.

Oh, you logic is faulty in stating that because 1st amendment doesn&#039;t specifically say &#039;people&#039; it could imply corporations. Under that same, overly simplistic, logic corporations aren&#039;t eligible to receive 4th amendment protection, AND troops could be stationed in places of business (and churches, etc) because the 3rd amendment only specifies &#039;homes&#039;.

The fact is that the rights outlined in the consitutions were fully intended to extent to people. We have a separate social contract which allows for the creation of other legal entities such as corporations. The long standing terms of that social contract is that corporations limited rights AND responsibilities under the law. They gain numerous exemptions to, or favorable treatment by: taxation laws, residency laws, arrest, and most dramatically, slavery laws. A &#039;person&#039; cannot be owned. All internal logic about person-hood and legal entity breaks down if you try to apply the law unilaterally without compromise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You propose one of the most egregious straw men I have ever seen.</p>
<p>All that is required to make this an destructive force for democracy is a few simple conditions.</p>
<p>Political Ads are able to BIAS elections. Here&#8217;s where you rhetoric goes astray. Bias is not the same as completely control. I think anyone would be hard pressed to say that political advertising doesn&#8217;t help bias an election.</p>
<p>Political advertising takes money. Pretty simple and straight forward.</p>
<p>Corporations and Unions have substantially more money than individuals.</p>
<p>Corporations and Unions do not represent the full diversity of American thought and belief.</p>
<p>Once all of these conditions are met, you are almost assured that votes and political action will be biased away from the true democratic will of the people towards the interests of groups such as corporations and unions.</p>
<p>While it probably won&#8217;t bring our democracy to our knees, it is clear it weakens our democracy.</p>
<p>Oh, you logic is faulty in stating that because 1st amendment doesn&#8217;t specifically say &#8216;people&#8217; it could imply corporations. Under that same, overly simplistic, logic corporations aren&#8217;t eligible to receive 4th amendment protection, AND troops could be stationed in places of business (and churches, etc) because the 3rd amendment only specifies &#8216;homes&#8217;.</p>
<p>The fact is that the rights outlined in the consitutions were fully intended to extent to people. We have a separate social contract which allows for the creation of other legal entities such as corporations. The long standing terms of that social contract is that corporations limited rights AND responsibilities under the law. They gain numerous exemptions to, or favorable treatment by: taxation laws, residency laws, arrest, and most dramatically, slavery laws. A &#8216;person&#8217; cannot be owned. All internal logic about person-hood and legal entity breaks down if you try to apply the law unilaterally without compromise.
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		<dc:creator>"Bitterly Divided Court" Carelessly "Sweeps Aside" 100 Years of "Important Precedents." Bastards. - Hit &#38; Run : Reason Magazine</dc:creator>
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