The Christmas bomber speaks … finally

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After five weeks of exercising his “right to remain silent,” the Christmas bomber, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab has finally begun cooperating, and according to The Washington Post is now “providing FBI interrogators with useful intelligence about his training and contacts.” Administration officials are hawking this development as a vindication of their patient approach to Abdulmutallab’s questioning. The Post even declares that this “[r]esult counters recent criticism of the case’s handling.”

That anyone can consider five weeks of utter silence from this high-value terrorist as a success is stunning. Abudulmutallab was supposed to be vaporized along with Northwest Flight 253. The moment al-Qaida learned that he had survived and was in U.S. government custody, they began taking countermeasures to cover his tracks.

Every hour, every day, every week that went by gave them precious time to close bank accounts, e-mail addresses, phone numbers he knew about, and shut down training camps, safe houses, and other intelligence leads he could have given us. Terrorists he knew about have been put into hiding, and other leads that were hot in the days immediately following his capture have since gone cold. The intelligence he possessed was perishable. Each moment that passed that he was not speaking meant lost counterterrorism opportunities.

The mishandling of Abdulmutallab’s questioning is an intelligence failure of massive proportions. And it highlights the problem with the Obama administration’s approach to terrorist interrogation. The administration’s approach is built on a law-enforcement model unsuited for the challenges of the war on terror. Here is why:

In law enforcement, interrogators generally question terrorists after an attack (or in the case of Abdulmutallab, an attempted attack) has occurred; their goal is to extract a confession in order to secure a conviction. In such circumstances, patience is a virtue. The wheels of justice turn slowly, and interrogators have all the time in the world to build rapport with the criminal, or use the plea bargaining process to get him to talk.

But in a time of war, speed is of the essence. Interrogators must get information from the terrorist quickly, before an attack occurs. Their goal is not to secure a conviction; it is to stop the terrorists from striking in the first place. In such circumstances, patience is not a virtue; patience can be deadly. And time is on the side of the terrorist withholding the information. The longer he drags the interrogation out, the better the chance that he can buy enough time for his comrades on the outside to carry out the attack or at least cover his tracks. His incentive is to hold out as long as possible, and then to provide nominal or outdated information, so he can appear like he is cooperating when he is in fact lying to cover up the important details as long as he can.

In a letter to senators this week, Attorney General Eric Holder declared that there is no “known mechanism to persuade an uncooperative individual to talk to the government that has been proven more effective than the criminal justice system.” With all due respect, the attorney general is flat wrong. The CIA interrogation program did just that.

According to the CIA inspector general’s report, Abu Zubaydah, Abd al Rahim al-Nashiri, and Khalid Sheikh Mohammed all tried to hold out, mislead, and withhold information when they were first questioned by the CIA. Before enhanced interrogations, the inspector general says, KSM provided information that was “outdated, inaccurate, or incomplete”; after enhanced interrogation, KSM became “the most prolific” of the detainees in CIA custody, providing actionable intelligence that led to the capture of many of his key operatives. Before enhanced interrogations, the inspector general says, the USS Cole bomber al-Nashiri provided only “historical information;” after enhanced interrogations, “he provided information about his most current operational planning.” Before enhanced interrogations, Abu Zubaydah provided what he thought was nominal information; after enhanced interrogations, Zubaydah “increased production” and provided intelligence that led to the capture of Ramzi bin al-Shibh just as he was completing plans for the attack on Heathrow airport. In each of these cases, high value detainees were holding back vital intelligence until they underwent enhanced interrogations—after which they stopped resisting and told us what they knew.

These facts make the whole debate about whether we can get the same information without enhanced interrogations moot. Let’s accept the possibility that we could have gotten the terrorists to give us the same information using law enforcement techniques—eventually. As the case of Abdulmutallab shows, there is no question that it getting this information takes much longer using a law enforcement approach.

This is not to say that enhanced interrogation techniques would have been necessary in the case of Abdulmutallab. Two-thirds of those questioned by the CIA had no enhanced techniques applied to them at all—and only three required waterboarding. Simply the existence of a CIA interrogation program was enough to get most to make the decision to cooperate. And cooperate they did. According to the Justice Department, on average it took between three to seven days for the CIA to break most terrorists in their custody—and just 15 days in the case of the most resistant detainees. In other words, the CIA got terrorists to stop resisting and Courting Disasterstart providing intelligence quickly, in a situation where time was critical. By contrast, it has taken the Obama administration five weeks to get Abdulmutallab to speak.

That difference in time could mean the difference between a thwarted attack and another 9/11 in our midst. Let’s hope that is not the price America has to pay for the mishandling of Abdulmutallab.

Marc A. Thiessen is the author of Courting Disaster: How the CIA Kept America Safe and How Barack Obama Is Inviting the Next Attack. For more information go to:www.courtingdisaster.com

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Comments (10)

  1. aviationlvr

    I find this to be a little to CONVENIENT. As the criticizing of the Obama administration for arresting this man and mirandizing him grew louder and louder, they all the sudden come out with “OH but he’s talking and telling us a lot.” Way too convenient for comfort…

  2. sulliedsoul

    Marc thinks that the only virtue we are bound to uphold is the expeditious gathering of intelligence from suspected or attempted terrorists to prevent attacks and achieve security. He is also of the opinion that there is a difference between “enhanced interrogation techniques” that he advocates and torture which he claims we have never done.

    So let me paraphrase him: under the law enforcement method, it took us five weeks to get the guy talking. With the “enhanced interrogation,” it took between 7 and 15 days to do the same thing. The difference between the two could be the difference between another September 11 and a thwarted attack.

    So if keeping another attack from happening is the only concern in Thiessen’s mind, couldn’t we argue further that, say, amputating a man’s toes and feet would get him talking even sooner? Maybe only a day or two and he’d spill his guts? Maybe we could begin pulling his guts literally out of his body and he’d start talking within just a few minutes? Even better, what if we did the same thing to a member of his family which wouldn’t endanger the subject’s own body and thus give the “interrogator” more leeway to explore new methods of causing pain, discomfort and anguish? If “enhanced interrogations” are doing a better job at a quicker rate, won’t torture be that much more exponentially effective? If doing these things would give us the information we need sooner, what is stopping us from doing it?

    Perhaps what is stopping us from listening to chickenhawk sadists like Thiessen is our unwillingness to sell our national inheritance of liberty and dignity for a mess of security pottage. Once you cross any kind of line regarding torment or torture, you strip yourself of the mantle of democracy and you put on the robes of the Grand Inquisitor, our national character forever stained with the barbarism advocated by this man. Shame on him for trying to drag this country down into the awful abyss he’s carved out for himself.

  3. drew

    In your own book, you note that Bush officials let Zubaydah spend weeks recovering in the hospital before questioning him. How come you don’t mention that here, where the comparison is rather relevant?

  4. libertyatstake

    “That difference in time could mean the difference between a thwarted attack and another 9/11 in our midst. Let’s hope that is not the price America has to pay for the mishandling of Abdulmutallab.”

    Hope is all this absurdly incompetent administration leaves us in this situation. Holder should be fired. Napolitano should also be fired. If these unqualified hacks continue in their posts, it calls Obama’s judgement and competence into question. Something for the opposition supermajority to consider after November.

    http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/

  5. cl696

    I heard on the radio this morning that the Muslim bomber speaking is proof that interrogation is not necessary…now that is some good spin. No one has yet to rate the value of the information being given and yet this single event some how is enough to validate the lefts position…what ev

    Why is it PC to say Christmas bomber…shouldn’t it be Holiday bomber…I prefer Muslim bomber

  6. banjo

    When the next terrorist attack occurs — it is “a certainty” within the next six months, we’re told — you can expect a robust response from teams in training at the Department of Justice. Lawyers from the ACLU are on 30-minute notice to a accompany prosecutors to the scene in order to set the parameters of interrogation. Observers from the UN and the International Court of Criminal Justice will be on the scene within hours to lend critical expertise. Critical CIA personnel charged with keeping tabs on terrorists will be temporarily released from interrogation by DOJ lawyers concerning incidents in Afghanistan three years ago. Obama’s remarks about “lone terrorists” have already been written incorporating the “Our hearts go out” comment.

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