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Buchanan calls ‘don’t ask, don’t tell’ repeal ‘trying to impose the values of Fire Island on Parris Island’

4:08 PM 12/19/2010
Jeff Poor
Media Reporter

Not everyone is thrilled about the prospects of the post-“don’t ask, don’t tell” era of the U.S. military.

On Sunday’s “The McLaughlin Group,” MSNBC contributor Pat Buchanan argued that the repeal of the Clinton-era policy on homosexuals in the military will have the effect of imposing the values of Fire Island, a popular destination off the coast of Long Island in New York for gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender tourists, on the military.

“Well, the arguments against it, John, they come from folks like the commandants of the U.S. Marine Corps,” Buchanan said. “You are trying to impose the values of Fire Island on Parris Island. These are 19-year-old Marines. They’re very macho guys. Many of them are Christian traditionalists and you got these secular values and you bring open homosexuals into the barracks with these guys — it will be hellish.”

Buchanan cited the current Marine commandant, Gen. James Amos, who has raised concerns about the detrimental effect the repeal will have on his units.

“One Marine commandant said simply, ‘Would moving homosexuals into the barracks with my Marines enhance the fighting effectiveness, the cohesion and morale of our Marine units? I don’t believe it would,’” Buchanan continued. “Why change something that is working. The Marine Corps is the finest unit in the world, or one of them, and it works. Why impose outside values on them?”

But in a broader context, Buchanan told host John McLaughlin this was a victory for those who advocate a multicultural society in the United States.

“John this is a multicultural society, there’s no doubt about it,” Buchanan said. “The multiculturals have won. But there’s one culture basically, as I said, to Fire Island, and an entirely different culture. You impose one from outside on the other and you’re looking for trouble. Our Marines do very well without this.”

Buchanan was dour on the values of American society as a whole.

“I don’t think time is on the side of Western civilization, if you want to know,” Buchanan said. “This battle may be won like many others, and I think society is going downhill.”

As for the “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy being outdated, Buchanan said he disagreed with its implementation in the first place.

“I think they ought to retain it,” Buchanan said. “I don’t even think they should have put that in to begin with.”

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Tags: Don't ask, don't tell, Military, Pat Buchanan, , U.S. military, United States Marine Corps
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  • jonavark

    Here’s the next phase of this:

    1) Suits will be brought against the military for gays who weren’t allowed in for other reasons. They will be brought by the likes of attorneys like Gloria Alred and others on the left who seek to make money and media face time from an easy target.

    2) Public focus will start to turn to the many incidents that occur in a multi-million person force and start targeting the military with lawsuits a plenty for hate crimes, harassment, etc.

    3) Gay soldiers will be prompted to by anti-military elements on the left to ‘expose’ the military as brutal bigoted war machine. No matter how patient they are with it all. See: Wikileaks and how they got their information. It was a vindictive angry ‘soldier’. Google the info.

    AM I concerned about the battlefield? As much as the Marines are and Gen. Amos. But I don’t think that’s where the problems will be the most prevalent. I don’t hear a word about gay troops not being heroic or good soldiers. I never hear that. So I don’t think that is an issue at all. That’s the best part of this really. But the other problems on the periphery are numerous. Not the kind of edict I would want handed to me as a Commander.

    • hampton

      Hey, since you’re so good at predicting the future, could we have some lottery numbers?

      • jonavark

        Lottery numbers are random number with no predictability. Gays and the left are 100% predictable scorp. As you are.

    • mugwa

      Hey, with the repeal of DADT America just lurched further left.

      We are now more marxist than anytime in our prior history.

      How do YOU feel about that/

  • scorpioman

    “The mititary is not a civil rights crucible, but the HomoNazis see it as yet another opportunity to spread their culture.” – truebearing

    Truebearing equates gays wanting equality to Nazisism!

    • jonavark

      poor thing. TB is eluding to the goose – steppers in the gay community, like scorp, who bash and bash and bash.. and demand everyone just loooooovvvveee them. All while engaging in hypocritical stereotyping the likes of which they themselves are supposedly fighting against.

      I know you know that but again, you skip over the obvious to fail to make a point.

      • scorpioman

        Even if that were so it wouldn’t excuse the hate you spew.

      • scorpioman

        And let’s get this straight. Gays do not want to be loved by scum.

        • jonavark

          makes you the lonely one then I suppose.

          • scorpioman

            You ASSume.

        • theprofessor

          “scum”

          No hate there…..

    • mugwa

      Adopting homosexuality is adopting marxism and being hostile to God.

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  • hampton

    Heh. So what? Pat Buchanan is the past. The repeal of DADT is the present and the future.

    Now onto rewarding the thousands of non-citizens who serve/have served in the military an easy path to U.S. citizenship!

    • hampton

      By the way, contrary to all the negative & condescending comments here, my money is on the continued professionalism and superiority of our American armed forces.

      • jonavark

        That same professionalism you are asserting results in so many rapes every year?

        You guys are talking out of both side of your…

        Again.. please answer the question. Simple question, though too hard for you..

        Why aren’t the men and women bunking together right now?

        If you can’t answer it you are truly full of it and you are only participating in these discussions to satisfy some inner need which has nothing to do with civil rights, gay rights or anything. Just another self-obsessed homosexual.

        • hampton

          “That same professionalism you are asserting results in so many rapes every year?”

          I never asserted any such thing, but I don’t judge our military by the few criminals amongst them, and it makes me sad that you do.

          And what is the rest of your blathering about? I have no idea. Get a grip.

          • jonavark

            GREAT ANSWER! Predictable, stupid and unable to even answer a simple point. You failed the test scorp!

    • truebearing

      hamster,

      I see you want to emulate the Roman formula for military degeneration. First fill the military with people more concerned with each others genitals than anything else, incuding national security, and then flood the military with foreign mercenaries who join for selfish reasons, not out of loyalty to America.

      With every post you prove yourself to be an idiot of immense proportions. A real dolt.

      • hampton

        You’re the only one here leading with genitals, truebearing. Consider the possibility that other people are not as obsessed with theirs as you are with yours.

        I guess you don’t have any faith in the professionalism of our military and service people. Sorry to hear that. They’ll still risk their lives on your behalf, though, so no worries.

        • truebearing

          I’m not basing my entire world view on my obsession with same sex genitals, like you and your gay buddies do. There is no Heterosexual Party, but there is a Homosexual Party. It is a subset of the left, and its entire focus is on its sexual orientation. I can’t believe anyone, even you, is going to try to make the moronic argument you just failed at. What a MORON!

          The issue isn’t whether I have faith in our military. That is a pathetic, sophomoric attempt on your part to change the focus of this debate. The mititary is not a civil rights crucible, but the HomoNazis see it as yet another opportunity to spread their culture, which Buchanan alluded to.

          Gays serving in the military is one thing. Gays infecting the military with their culture is another, and that is precisely what they intend to do. They want the right to shoot their big mouths off about how gay they are, and what they don’t like. The lawsuits will be next. This is leftist incrementalism at work, and anyone with a brain knows it (no surprise you don’t).

          I hope the Marines treat the loud mouths to some nice, wild blanket parties! Welcome to the military.

          • hampton

            You, truebearing, are unhinged. One can’t have a rational discussion with someone who talks about HomoNazis and the Homosexual Party and or how he knows the intentions of radical gays. They are plotting, of course. (So many, many plots in against you, eh trulydelusional?) Really, last week you were talking about how gays wouldn’t stop until everyone had gay sex! Are you for real? And this is the second time I have seen you slaver over “blanket parties.” Sick. You’re truly unhinged.

            Keep insulting me, if it gives you relief from all that pent up anxiety or until your meds kick in. In the meantime, I have every faith that our military and service people will work this out.

          • mugwa

            They aren’t advancing thier culture. They are intent on destroying Judeo Christian ethics and morals that built this country. They have been doing that now for 50 years. Unfortunately, this was a very serious blow.

        • scorpioman

          True told me he was a she.

          • jonavark

            so you DO have something in common after all?

    • des1

      “Now onto rewarding the thousands of non-citizens who serve/have served in the military an easy path to U.S. citizenship!”

      Would you care to name 10 out of the “thousands” of illegals who have served? You do realize that if you are illegal or a criminal you can’t serve, right?

      So are you just stupid, or really stupid?

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  • Tess_Comments

    Wouldn’t it be interesting and also tragic if the number of combat vets who do not re-enlist that would have re-enlisted far exceeded the number of gays who serve in support units or non-critical military jobs after removing DADT.

    • mugwa

      Ex military folks and vets need to form up and protest the destruction of this revered institution. We also need to aid and abet driving down the recruitment drives. This is no longer our military, it belongs to Hugo Chavez.

  • scorpioman

    One crucial fact that homophobic republicans fail to recognize is that gay soldiers are presently fighting to uphold the very freedom that gives them the right to slander and hate gays. Fortunately now, homophobes will not be able to keep gays from fighting for their rights. Isn’t that ironic? Like a black fly in their Chardonnay.

    • The_anniebanannie

      “fighting for their rights.”

      You mean like their right to not be outed by other gays who are just trying to advance their personal vendetta?

      With every article about this, it’s becoming increasingly obvious that you don’t give a damn about the soldiers. You’re only using them to get your point across. You don’t care about their “rights”.

      • scorpioman

        LOL Come on over and ask my first cousin who proudly served in the marines what he thinks about DADT. Ask my neighbor’s son who for two years scraped dead and injured soldiers off the ground in Afghanistan. Honey, When it comes to arguing that I don’t care about soldiers, you don’t have a leg to stand on.

        • jonavark

          Marines.. against it. Sorry.

          • scorpioman

            The marines who would not comply can leave and good riddance.

          • theprofessor

            “The marines who would not comply can leave and good riddance.”

            You only care about the military personnel that share your opinions. You think you should have more of a say what goes on in the Marines than the Marines that are serving.

            Gee, why would anybody think you’re only in it to advance an agenda.

        • theprofessor

          Somebody elses thoughts about DADT or their experience at “scraping” up soldiers(such respect for the dead!) doesn’t prove your loyalty or caring for the military. Once again, we see the left standing on the bodies of dead soldiers declaring victory for their own purposes. Annie’s right. You’re just strutting all over this website bragging about how YOU won…soldiers be damned. As long as YOU won.

    • mdwsgl

      My wife and I served in the military before DADT, during the Reagan administration. Most of those homosexuals I served with I kept in contact with throughout my enlistment and was proud to call them friends indeed because they identified themselves as my friends. They knew I was straight and I knew they were gay. Conversely my wife was sexually harrassed while in basic training and her helpless victimization was quite unpleasant. That is the big argument, the open door to a potentially threatening hierarchy that falls completely out of the chain of command, but is nonetheless prevalent, and in my opinion, unnecessary.

      • scorpioman

        Statistics before DADT repeal…

        “The Pentagon said it received 2,923 reports of sexual assault across the military in the 12 months ending Sept. 30 2008. That’s about a 9 percent increase over the totals reported the year before, but only a fraction of the crimes presumably being committed.

        Among the cases reported, only a small number went to military courts, officials acknowledged.

        The Pentagon office that collects the data estimates that only 10 percent to 20 percent of sexual assaults among members of the active duty military are reported _ a figure similar to estimates of reported cases in the civilian sphere.’

        [. . .]

        That increase includes a jump in cases from combat zones in Iraq and Afghanistan, to 165 from 131 the year before.

        Congresswoman Jane Harman, a congressional critic of the military’s handling of sexual violence, said the statistics show the problem is still rampant.

        “While the report shows modest improvement, we’re far from Mission Accomplished,” the California Democrat said in a statement. “Military women are more likely to be raped by a fellow soldier than killed by enemy fire in Iraq.”

        I doubt very seriously if allowing gays to serve openly will change these sad statistics much.

        • jonavark

          D’oh! You’re proclaiming that the military as ‘professional’ as they are.. should be able to handle anything and at the same time calling them mass rapists.

          It is typical for you. Your zealous desire to post ‘anything’ is eclipsing your ability to support your arguments.

          • theprofessor

            But he supports the mass rapists….errr, I mean the military.

        • mdwsgl

          The harassment was from her drill sergeant, another woman, not a man. Rape is one thing, sexual harassment of course another, and I realize that’s not what you were validating with the stats.
          It’s only my opinion, but I don’t feel it will benefit readiness, culture, or esprit de corps. Remember it is not a democracy, the military.

          • scorpioman

            My point is that the military has an enormous problem already. The suicide rate has now surpassed numbers killed in action. If republicans are so worried, why aren’t they also concerned about the heterosexual soldiers killing their wives, etc, etc, etc. Fear of what might happen is no excuse for asking soldiers to lie. It doesn’t make sense.

            I would never minimize the situation your wife experienced. I hope she spoke up. I hope the person responsible was held accountable and I hope she has healed from the abuse.

          • scorpioman

            And I would like to add this important fact. Because someone is a homosexual does not mean they are automatically a sex abuser anymore than being a heterosexual makes one a sex abuser.

    • jonavark

      nutjob alert.

      You can tell a gay nutjob when they stereotype everyone who doesn’t buy their agenda as “Republicans”. IT exposes their bigotry and hate. This one, scorp, flips, hampton, whatever his name is for the day, is one sick puppy.

      Scorp has the audacity to post once again probably without thinking or high on something, “do unto others as you would have them do unto you”

      Well only glad to oblige you sick dog.

      Scorp is not equipped with enough brain cells to ‘discuss’ anything. Like how this is implemented. Why male soldiers should have to bunk with gay men, how it is that their attraction to men is any different than that of women.

      Gays are a different problem than race or gender because they are attracted to each other. And this should be no problem for commanders already in a tough spot at this time.

      If it were a problem the militant gays wouldn’t give a rat’s behind because they are out to prove something.

      Problem is.. you can’t legislate tolerance. Especially tolerance of idiots rabid haters like some of those who post here. I don’t think scorp would last long in a gay barracks without getting his butt kicked.

      The problem won’t go away. It will only fester and create numerous more places for gays to whine, litigate, and complain. That’s the way this will go and that’s the way they want it to go.

      • scorpioman

        Isn’t that sweet. You’ve got us all figured out.

        • jonavark

          Not like it is very difficult. You can’t help yourself. Imagine how nice of a life you could have if you only practiced what you preach.

          • scorpioman

            jonavark, didn’t you ever go to summer camp or shower in high school gym classes?

            Real men aren’t afraid of gays and gays are not sex molesters. What are you?

          • jonavark

            You seem preoccupied with showering and fear. Is that all there is to it in your mind?

            you have been dancing around my question for days now. Is it because it can’t be answered without damaging your credibility(lol)?

            Why don’t women and men bunk together?

          • scorpioman

            I see no reason why they can’t. Gays wouldn’t mind bunking with women and women are now allowed to be on submarines.

            If you think soldiers can’t act like soldiers in close situations you wouldn’t make a good soldier. But you’d make a good bunk mate for a rapist in prison.

          • jonavark

            Well it took you 3 days not to answer the question.

            It wasn’t whether YOU see no reason. That’s irrelevant.

            It was:
            Why don’t women bunk with men?

            Wanna get serious about this debate or do you want to dance around it shouting insults?

            I already know the answer but I don’t think you do.

          • jonavark

            well. there ya go. 5 days of the same question and no answers.

            That means that scorp and all of his aliases are wrong and have no idea what the method of handling this problem really should be.

            That also means that they are selfish self centered fools who simply don’t care about anything but their miserable selves.

            We know for sure that the numbers of gays attempting to get into the military won’t change.

            Though, the good thing is that now, they CAN ask and they can make an assessment whether or not someone is fit for duty before allowing them to join. And that means that some gays who may have been let in, won’t be.

      • hampton

        I know it’s hard for your underdeveloped brain to fathom this, but there is more than one person who will post here to disagree with your Neanderthal views.

        Here’s a clue, knuckledragger. People with a healthy sexuality do not want to have sex with people who do not want to have sex with them. What makes you think gay men are going to be jumping anything male in sight? Your ignorance and fear, that’s what.

        There are already rules in place against fraternization.

        Women have been dealing with unwelcome male stares at their body parts for hundreds of years, and the world has not come to an end. If a straight guy gets a glance from a homosexual man from time to time, it is not going to be the end of civilization. Grow up.

        Give our military some credit for their professionalism. They will know how to implement this. Give our service people some credit, too. They are the best in the world now and will remain so — no matter what.

        • truebearing

          hamster,

          Taking yet another spin on your intellectual treadmill to nowhere? Obviously.

          Don’t blather nonsensically with your cliched chimping points from the HomoLeft and expect anyone to listen. Are you so mind numbingly stupid that you think your pathetic propaganda has any credibility, much less power to persuade? No one takes you as an honest, or intelligent, contributor. You’re a goose stepping moron of the third degree. STFU.

          • scorpioman

            You, are no lady.

          • hampton

            truebearing: You make me laugh with your pathetic attempts to insult me, funny man.

          • truebearing

            Sure hamper. I believe you. I suppose you wetting your panties last week was because yellow makes you sad……and you saw the stripe on your back.

          • hampton

            Laughing so hard. That’s okay, keep it up. I know your “prowess” in the comment section of the Daily Caller is all you have.

        • scorpioman

          What makes them think gay men are going to be jumping anything male in sight?

          Because people like rockhard and jonavark secretly want to have sex with people who do not want to have sex with them.

          • jonavark

            butjob alert.

            Oops.. my smell checker stopped working there..

          • scorpioman

            Ok, so you think I’m a butjob? (whatever that is)

            Responding to everything I say, makes you the afterbirth of a butjob.

          • jonavark

            nutjob alert.

    • mugwa

      Homosexuality is a perverted behavior, not a person or a right. Marxism should have no rights in America, and homosexuality is its pony issue.

      Homophobia is a made up diagnosis to medicalize opposition to homosexuality as a disease rather than a moral call. In fact just the opposite is true: it is homosexuality that is the disease. Has been for thousands of years just like alchoholism, and other disorders.

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  • flips

    Most homophobes are repressed gays who lash out at people courageous enough to live their lives in the open.

    Straight people who are comfortable with their sexual orientation, really don’t care about this issue.

    Which are you?

    • jdkchem

      Typical ignorant comment from someone who lacks/lacked the spine to serve. You trot out “homophobe” because you have nothing relevant to say. This is the same comment idiots like you spew from your pie holes whenever a gay man gets the brush off because the dude he has a man crush on doesn’t bat for the home team. Get over yourselves.

      • gooners

        Two things: first, conservative commenters on this site seem to have a problem distinguishing between a lie and being wrong. Everybody is wrong about something at some point, and that should be ok. How do we learn if we can’t be wrong and be corrected in a respectful way? What is it about loudog’s comment that makes you think he/she is intentionally misrepresenting (lying) about Russia’s policy on gay people in military service, instead of (maybe)being wrong?

        Second, you yourself are actually wrong and the information is not difficult to find. Go to this Wikipedia page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation_and_military_service. You will find “as of July 1, 2003 (2003 -07-01)[update], homosexual people in Russia can serve in the military”.

      • flips

        As a straight person comfortable with my sexual orientation I believe that what gay people do and who they love is none of my business.

        You, however, seem upset about gayness.

        Hmmmmm.

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