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Stop acting like children and debate like adults

A civil debate on foreign policy is desperately needed in this country, especially within the conservative movement. The outside threats facing our nation today are serious but dramatically different from the dangers Ronald Reagan faced during the Cold War.

The neo-conservative policies of pre-emptive war, a domestic surveillance state, and unchecked executive power have not only failed but blatantly violated our Constitution — there’s nothing conservative about them. As Mike Church puts it, “these are decepti-cons.”

Traditional warfare has changed, the Internet has revolutionized revolutions, and we are bogged down in the longest, most costly war in our country’s history. It’s time to revive the conversation about what constitutes a conservative foreign policy.

However, in order to make any progress and grow as a movement, we must treat each other (and act) like adults. Immature name-calling and shameless publicity stunts, particularly those directed at leaders within our movement, have no place in civil discourse.

Tactics like calling Congressman Paul “delusional,” “off his meds,” and referring to his foreign policy as “treasonous” are absurd and downright childish.

Young Americans for Freedom, and specifically YAF’s senior national director, Jordan Marks, owe the congressman an apology.

If Young Americans for Freedom (YAF) are now “more aligned with Obama” than with Ron Paul — as they stated in their own press release — and want to remove him from their advisory board, they are welcome to do so. I suspect many of their members disagree with that decision, but it is certainly the organization’s prerogative.

Fortunately, internal emails and reports have started to surface showing YAF members recognizing these remarks to be ill-conceived and the decision to be mistaken. I encourage more members of YAF to step forward, post on Facebook, Twitter, and on blogs, and call for respect for our conservative and libertarian leaders.

That being said, I will be the first to detest the actions of the few individuals who called Dick Cheney a “war criminal” and disrupted his speech at CPAC. These people do not represent Young Americans for Liberty or Ron Paul, and their actions do not hasten the return of constitutional government.

Yet as any elected official or organization can attest, it is impossible to control the actions of every supporter or member. Unless, that is, YAF wants to take credit for former YAF California State Chair Ryan Sorba’s diatribe last year. Let’s be honest, his actions were no better.

But, just as YAF is not to blame for Sorba’s behavior, one certainly cannot blame Ron Paul for the behavior of a few. Every individual is responsible for their own behavior.

In fact, I want to personally thank new ACU Chairman Al Cardenas for speaking so clearly about the importance of civility at CPAC in this recent interview. I commend Mr. Cardenas for his remarks and wholeheartedly agree.

Now, it has been suggested that Young Americans for Liberty (YAL) and Young Americans for Freedom host a debate on foreign policy. I consider this a fine idea. And if mature heads can prevail, I believe a conversation on this and other important issues will only strengthen our movement. Because that’s how friends handle their differences.

But after their recent actions, I am apprehensive to accept an invitation to debate with YAF.

What will be their next stunt? Will YAF’s leadership circulate another press release that mischaracterizes our positions, as they did with Ron Paul? Will YAF’s leadership continue to name-call and use straw-men arguments instead of debating the issues?

  • Pizza Trays

    One word stands out in my mind here: projection. It reminds me of Neville Chamberlain syndrome. The author uses quotes like “these [anti-appeasement conservatives] are decepti-cons” but is also calling for civility?

    I’m sorry… lead by example first.

    “We can have our disagreements and debates, but let’s keep them respectful, follow the Judeo-Christian values we claim to uphold, and treat each other as we would want to be treated,” adds the author.

    Right. Ron Paul did not die on a cross for us so yes let’s stop the hero worship. I wouldn’t assume that even the majority of libertarians are Christians, in any case.

    And while on the subject of Bible politics, Jesus was no pacifist and threatened to throw people into hell, when he wasn’t praising one war-hungry centurion. -Ben

  • Senator Hatrack

    Jeff, you are right that there is a need for a civilized debate about what our foreign policy should be. However, when you start your call for such a debate, a debate without the childish behavior of insults, by calling your opponents “neo-conservatives” you are not practicing what you preach. Then that you say the Gulf War is a preemptive war you show that you do not know what you are talking about. For a serious debate to be conducted the participants must be courteous and well informed. In the second paragraph of this column you showed that you are neither courteous nor well informed.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Elliot-Engstrom/7208440 Elliot Engstrom

      So you want a debate, but anyone who disagrees with you about things like whether or not the Gulf Wars were preemptive is misinformed, and therefore not worthy of debate. Enjoy debating people who agree with you on everything, there’s no better way to rationalize the flawlessness of your own world view.

  • rivingtonessex

    I thought this was a fair and reasoned piece from Mr. Frazee. A YAF/YAL foreign policy debate is sorely needed, especially given the large numbers of young people YAL is reaching. One question, who is Mike Church?

    • des1

      Could you define “large numbers”? The last article defending Paul here said that the YAL had 9000 likes on Facebook. That wouldn’t even make a good, “My favorite dog is a shar pei” club.

      • Lou

        Ron Paul’s Campaign for Liberty has over a half million members, and counting…

    • JohnB316

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      Mike Church hosts a radio talk show on Sirius XM satellite radio on the Patriot channel. His show is the longest-running conservative talk show on satellite radio. His web site is at http://www.mikechurch.com/.

      Hope this helps.