CNN’s Chris Cuomo and Republican congressman Jim Jordan sparred over alleged FBI bias and FISA warrant abuses during a Wednesday morning interview.
Jordan argued, echoing the Nunes memo, that the FISA warrant to spy on Carter Page was granted because the FBI took “a campaign document and dress[ed] it all up as legitimate intelligence” and presented it to a “secret court.”
“You don’t know that that’s what happened,” Cuomo countered.
“We do know that’s what happened!” Jordan responded.
“You do not know what happened in that FISA application,” Cuomo continued. “You guys keep calling it a ‘secret court,’ which is not fair to the American people. The FISA court was created as an oversight mechanism by Congress—it’s not a secret court and you haven’t even seen the application.”
Jordan argued that he called it a “secret court” because very few people have ever seen a FISA court transcript or an application.
“That’s why I don’t have an opinion about them, I don’t judge them if I haven’t seen them,” Cuomo asserted.
Jordan said that’s precisely why he has been calling on FBI director Christopher Wray to release the transcripts.
The two sparred back and forth for several more minutes, before Cuomo asserted, “We’re both coming at this from a position of ignorance because neither of us have seen it.”