“Fox and Friends” guest co-host Will Cain sparred with Democratic strategist Richard Fowler Friday over claims that former President Donald Trump backed Project 2025 and a national ban on abortion.
Trump has repeatedly stated he does not support a national ban on abortion and also said on multiple occasions he had “nothing to do” with Project 2025, which was created by the Heritage Foundation. Fowler tried to use Trump’s appointments to the Supreme Court and the overturn of Roe v. Wade in June 2022 to defend his claims that Trump wanted to ban abortion after Cain questioned him about Vice President Kamala Harris and Democratic Gov. Tim Walz of Minnesota’s false claims about Trump’s positions on abortion and Project 2025. (RELATED: Fox News Host Asks Biden Cabinet Secretary Point-Blank When He Knew President Was ‘Unfit’ To Serve)
“You brought up untruths. Why did Tim Walz and Kamala Harris continue to utter the lie — and it is a lie, it has been fact-checked — that Donald Trump wants to pass a national abortion ban with or without Congress?” Cain asked Fowler. “They both did it the last two nights in a row. He has said overtly, numerous times, including most recently yesterday on Fox and Friends, ‘I am not going for an abortion ban.’ That has not stopped them in their tracks from issuing that lie, Richard.”
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“Look, I think what both Tim Walz and Kamala Harris are talking about is the pieces of his policy, pieces that were written — pieces written in Project 2025 that are written by his close allies, things that his vice president has endorsed, that said they were going to pass a national abortion ban,” Fowler claimed. “We’ll have to see what the president is going to do. If you track Donald Trump’s record, right, when he was the president in his last term, you saw what he did at the Supreme Court, where he overturned Roe v. Wade, or picked justices that overturned Roe v. Wade.”
Cain reminded Fowler that the Supreme Court’s decision to uphold a Mississippi law restricting abortion after the 15th week of pregnancy was “not the same thing” as a ban on abortion.
“But, Will, Will, the past is prologue, and the proof is in the pudding,” Fowler claimed.
“Well, the same thing with 2025,” Cain responded. “He said overtly once again, it’s not my policy plan. They keep creating a strawman opponent that doesn’t exist through lies.”
Fowler said people who served in the Trump administration wrote the Project 2025 document. (RELATED: ‘I’m Going To Move On’: Harris Faulkner Spars With Liberal Guest Over Vice President’s ‘Press Blunders’)
“There’s think-tank people all over Washington, D.C., writing wish lists,” Cain told Fowler. “Heritage is a think tank. Heritage is a think tank with their own wish list.”
“It’s not an agenda he adopts wholeheartedly,” Cain added. “Like the national abortion ban, he said clearly, ‘this is not my plan.'”
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