Chaos: Stupak proposal riles pro-choice Dems but shows Pelosi may not have the votes
UPDATE – SATURDAY 11 A.M. – Stupak’s press conference, which was scheduled for 11 a.m. and was thought to be where he would unveil his proposal, has been postponed indefinitely. Time’s Jay Newton Small is reporting that a Democratic whip meeting has just been scheduled for noon.
National Review is reporting that Stupak has broken off negotiations with Speaker Nancy Pelosi. These don’t seem to be good signs for Democrats, given that if Pelosi was negotiating with Stupak over pro-life votes, that would indicate they don’t have enough votes without them.
Hang on to your hats.
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An attempt late Friday by Rep. Bart Stupak, a pro-life Michigan Democrat, to change abortion language in President Obama’s health care bill riled pro-choice lawmakers who vowed not to allow the revision.
The move by Stupak, who holds a crucial bloc of Democratic votes that if released would clear the way for the health bill, threw Capitol Hill into confusion late Friday, less than two days before the House is set to vote on the landmark legislation.
Stupak, leaving the Capitol, said that House Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s willingness to talk to him about his idea shows Democrats “don’t have the votes, or they wouldn’t be talking to me,” he said in an interview with The Hill’s Molly Hooper.
It was not entirely clear how exactly Stupak’s proposal would work. Stupak is reportedly trying to change the abortion language through a procedure called a “concurrent resolution,” but a parliamentarian expert told The Daily Caller that such a move would face huge hurdles.
The House would likely have to pass the Senate bill, and then hold it back from going to the president for his signature while they voted on the concurrent resolution. Or the president could receive the bill but not sign it into law, waiting for the resolution changing the abortion language to go through the Senate.
The chances of passing such a provision through the Senate, in addition, are not good.
Nonetheless, Pelosi appeared to be taking the proposal seriously, judging by the reaction from her pro-choice caucus.
Rep. Diana Degette, Colorado Democrat, emerged clearly agitated from a meeting with Pelosi and other pro-choice members in a room just off the House floor.
She said the Stupak proposal was a “non-starter.”
“Nobody likes this,” she said, claiming that more than 40 pro-choice Democrats would oppose the move.
“If Mr. Stupak and a few members … decide to use this to take health care down, then that loss of health care coverage will be on them,” she said.
Asked if she was willing to vote against the health care bill if Stupak got his way, she said “we are not going to vote for a bill that restricts the woman’s right to choose beyond current law.”
“So you’re willing to take down the health care bill?” the Daily Caller asked.
“That’s it! That’s all I’m saying!” she said.
She then added: “I’m not taking any bill down.”
Pelosi, hurrying out of the meeting with the pro-choice caucus, refused to talk to reporters as she headed to a meeting with other lawmakers in her offices.
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thebigodoopedu2-I say we cyber kick the crap out of the next self appointed English professor that opens his mouth.
Thatone made me laugh man, thanks =)
The only way an Abortion should be allowed is if Both parents agree to be irreversibly sterilized, If your to stupid to use protection and so unethical you make a Child pay for YOUR mistake you do not deserve to EVER have children. Its only fair.
You have to know who the Daddy is first…that would require the woman to actually own up to the facts that her pregnancy is an inconvenience…AND she can’t control herself…except in the cases of rape and incest, of course…She’d also have to rat out the unknowing father…odds are, he doesn’t even know about it…and might have a different opinion as to who gets to terminate his child…
Hey Big: can you clue me in as to what a post can and cannot say? I am not posting any profanities, but they are holding a number of my posts for moderation…Can anyone help? It’s really dampering my verve. Thanks.
you didn’t ask me but this is what got me once, Don’t use Aunt SOCIA’s lIST … and don’t mention the dot COM on MUNI ST.
thanks triple g for the words of wisdom
It happens to all of us. I think it’s a random “moderator”. I sucks and it’s stupid, but apparently Carlson doesn’t see the problem.
That’s supposed to say “I THINK it sucks”,,,but hey, funny happens. And the answer is “no”.
thanks to you annie, as well…and I lol at your clarification post…now EVERYONE knows not to even ask…very funny.
…although your handle…oh never mind.
The bill will not cover illegal aliens – but it does…
The bill will not cover abortions – but it does…
The bill will reduce the deficit – but it doesn’t
The bill will reduce medicare fraud and abuse – but it doesn’t
You can keep your current insurance and doctor – but you can’t
Lies, lies, lies, lies. This bill is a power grab, plain and simple. They will tell any lie to pass it, they will never lose an election again. They can do what they want. This will collapse the economy and they will declare martial law or some equivilent. Otherwise, none of it makes any sense as our economy cannot survive this stupidity. And they know it.
Hey guyfromchesapeake… you want to know why abortion should not be covered as all elective procedures?? because its murder someone stupid….
Of course Obama wants to create a culture of murder in America..OBAMA HAS A DEATH WISH FOR AMERICANS…HE SEETHES WITH IT…
I CHALLENGE EVERY READER TO LOOK UP, BECOME EDUCATED ABOUT AND REPORT ON OBAMA AND ODINGA, HIS RADICAL-ISLAMP FASCIST COMMUNIST UNCLE…WHO IS A DICTATOR IN AFRICA, WHO OBAMA CAMPAIGNED FOR!!! IN AFRICA…I CHALLENGE YOU ALL TO EXPOSE IT…OR DONT YOU CARE TO EXPOSE THAT THAT IS WHO OBAMA REALLY IS???
“because its murder someone stupid….”
It’s probably not the best idea to call people stupid then write sentences like this (or type with your Caps Lock key on…or ramble about Obama’s Muslim roots).
Don’t you understand the frustration? Some of us conservatives have blood boiling through our veins right about now, not ice! The fact that we are indeed conservatives does not make us perfect nor does it make us pacifists!
I completely understand the frustration. I also understand that childish temper tantrums and giving in to conspiracy theories makes someone sound exactly like the deranged reactionary the Dems are trying to paint us all as (even the Moderates). We’re all grown-ups, so we have to act like it. Saying crazy crap on the internet because you’re anonymous does nothing to forward your cause, and everything to convince people that we’re not serious about issues (convincing them that they were right when they thought they were better than us).
It’s the internet. Yelling or throwing out insults is not someone proving that they’re not a pacifist. Pacifism is anti-violence and nothing here can be violent, just immature.
I agree with you. But, I have seen most everyone on this blog including you get a bit out of line with the name calling. It’s easy to do, as you have said. It’s not face to face. And as far as grammar, spelling, sentence structure. This is a Blog not an English class. If you can’t speak Blogginese or Chattinese in which I am sure you can, than any comments to the contrary are just smug and are just as much of an attack as any personal attack. Is poor sentence structure when insulting someone any worse than insulting someone that has insulted someone with poor sentence structure? Who’s to say who’s worse an insult is an insult and name calling is name calling. Now I know it might sound like I am rambling on aimlessly and your right I am.
so chill…You gotta simma down now!
Again, you seem to be quite preoccupied with what they (those in the left) think of us if we stoop to their level, some of us do not! You seem to think that if you give them half a page answers/ facts that they are some how going to say, “hu ok, I get it” and change their minds, some of us know that’s never going to happen! If name calling or ranting about conspiracy theories against those in the left that are trying to destroy our country, is a small dose of feel good internet therapy, than so be it! last I heard the conservative movement does not have a grammar, or code of behaviors police.
Congressman Stupak may end up saving America, Freedom, and Capitalism.
The battles of Lexington were not fought in vain if Stupak is able to dismantle healthcare reform. God Bless Stupak and unborn babies.
Amen bother, amen!
Hmm, and I thought all the proponents of this bill have been insisting that abortion will not be paid for by the taxpayers, yet, here we have more proof of how the Dem zealots will ram that down our throats with the rest of it.
Some indulge me here, if they will be so kind. Except in rare circumstances, abortion is indeed an elective procedure. Shouldn’t ALL elective procedures thus be covered, like nose jobs, ‘tummy tucks’, implants, etc.?
They will be eventually. It will be listed under mental health since people will feel better about them selves.