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Military bloggers call for repeal of Don’t Ask Don’t Tell

A group of military bloggers, many of them retired service members, have released a joint statement calling for the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, according to a statement on the military blog Blackfive.

“We consider the US military the greatest institution for good that has ever existed. No other organization has freed more people from oppression, done more humanitarian work or rescued more from natural disasters. We want that to continue,” reads the statement. “The US Military is professional and ready to adapt to the repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell without compromising its mission. Echoing Sec. Def. Gates and ADM Mullen, we welcome open and honorable service, regardless of sexual orientation.”

The statement asks members of congress to implement whatever policies are suggested in a study currently being conducted by the service chiefs, the findings of which will be delivered to Congress on Dec. 1.

“I wrote my first piece in support of repeal five years ago,” Jim Hanson, a blogger at Blackfive, told The Daily Caller. “There are not enough people left in the military who care who you sleep with for us to keep out Americans. The need for [DADT] is just past.”

The other milbloggers who signed the petition are Matt Burden of Warrior Legacy Foundation & BLACKFIVE, Blake Powers of BLACKFIVE, Fred Schoenman of BLACKFIVE, David Bellavia of House to House, Bruce McQuain of Q&O, JD Johannes of Outside the Wire, Diane Frances McInnis Miller of Boston Maggie, Mark Seavey of This Ain’t Hell, Michael St. Jacques of The Sniper, Mary Ripley of the US Naval Institute Blog, John Donovan of Castle Argghhh!, Andrew J. Lubin of The Military Observer, Marc Danziger of Winds of Change, and Greta Perry of Hooah Wife.

Hanson, who retired from U.S. Army as a Special Forces weapons sergeant, said that after DADT is repealed, “you won’t hear about gays in the military anymore,” and that it’s only a “hurdle to get to the point” where new rules can implemented. “Why give ammunition to people who want to hate on the military? This takes ammunition out of the hands of people like Elena Kagan.”

He also said that while there were several milbloggers who didn’t sign the petition, “no one’s going to lose their mind over DADT.”

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  • llama

    As far as your citing the fact that you had criminal homosexual cases during your tour – that is a circular argument – you saw those cases because sexual “conduct” (which includes private actions and mere statements of orientation) a basis for separation from the service. The wisdom of the regulation is at the heart of the debate. AS you note, sexual abuse of subordinates is an issue regardless of the gender OR the sexual orientation of the person in power.

    As for the shower argument, it fails to make note that that is an issue of gender, not orientation. While gender roles are admittedly closely related for many to sexual issue, they are not the same. Even so, these too are falling barriers in our society – note the inclusion of female officers on submarines was recently approved). Current DoD policy does not discharge for orientation, but places gay servicemen in the position of not being able to acknowledge loved ones or to make ANY statements that would reveal their orientation, including simple statments like “I’m gay.”.

    The military allows waivers for personnel to join with felony records. Frankly I would rather be in barracks with a gay man than a thief. DoDT is a bad policy and it should have never been put into place.

  • llama

    The idea that men and women who voluntarily join the military can be put out of the military and shamed is extremely disrespectful to our military and is a policy based on the moralism of folks who would harm our ability to defend ourselves by allowing qualified men and women to because of insecure homo-erotic fantasies/ delusions of fox-hole lovers.

    A strong military is a great thing. Funding of poorly designed equipment, overpriced hardware, and no-bid contracts to private companies like Halliburton and Blackwater drain resources from the military in ways that are far more harmful than any fantisized relations between same-sex partners.

    Lets take some of the money away from the corrupt “military industrial complex” warned of by Eisenhower and put it towards providing the military on the ground with pay that can support their families and encourage more and more of them to make the military a career rather than a short term investment of their time.

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  • badmotherfarker

    Anyone that has served in the military realizes just how much of a non-issue this is. Yes, there are gay guys. Yes, there are a LOT of lesbians. We all know who they are and nobody cares. Frankly, the repealing of don’t ask/don’t tell means nothing. It’s just an issue for groups to rally people behind.

    • jeffincos

      Absolutely. We knew who the G&Ls are/were. They didn’t throw it in anyone’s face, and we didn’t ask about it. If you saw them out on the town, you didn’t pay any attention to it.

      Everyone worked together to accomplish the mission. Sexual preference definitely didn’t make a difference.

    • rainmaker1145

      As usual, you talk about that which you have no experience or idea about. I served, it was a huge issue then and it may be an issue today. I’m not sure, as there have to have been changes in the last 25 years, but I suspect it is not the same military today.

      After all, when you have the President asking Congress to approve a new Chicken Little Medal for “restraint” what can you say other than we are headed for France?

      I imagine it won’t end with a repeal of DADT. It always leads to people acting out in public (smooching and sucking face) and it kills morale. You can’t trust people in the foxhole who are in love with the guy on the other side of the foxhole to do what the unit needs to have done rather than what works for their undying love.

      I hope it works out, but as the parent of a gay kid and someone who has lots of gay friends, I have serious doubts about this. I like the idea of taking ammunition from the liberals on this issue, but the liberal-progressive movement will ALWAYS treat the military like dirt because liberal-progressives are inherently cowards and slackers who want everyone else to carry their load. I just don’t see it.

      • Partisan Poison

        If the service chiefs study that is due Dec. 1 says that the majority of service members would not have a problem with repealing DADT and that it would not have a detrimental effect on morale, would that change your position on the issue?

        For full disclosure, I have never served in the military, but my brother did and we have many mutual friends. The tolerance of service members has changed in the last 25 years.

        I honestly don’t mean to be snarky but you said it has been 25 years since you served. What “foxhole” were you in during 1985?

      • badmotherfarker

        I’m active duty… I think I might be able to speak just a little about the current military.

      • johnanderson

        I spent 8 years in the USMC, got out in ’07. If you are man enough to dive into a fighting hole and cover your sector, or drag my carcass back to a corpsman if necessary, I don’t really care who you sleep with on your time. Just don’t expect me to be interested in your water cooler stories of conquest, unless you are one of the very few good looking WM’s who happen to be a lesbian, then I might be interested.

        I know a lot of Marines in my company shared this point of view, and I think a lot of servicemen in general do as well.

        • badmotherfarker

          I’ve spent quite a bit of time around Marine infantry units. These units are about as testosterone driven as they come and, even there, nobody really gave a shiate about DADT. There wasn’t anyone that I came across that was openly gay and gay slurs were definitely rampant – but there also wasn’t any sense at all that any of them would not be willing to serve with somebody openly gay. After nearly 10 years of constant deployment, most people in the military have far more pressing concerns than whether or not somebody is gay.

    • gringott

      Every unit I was in until I retired in 2003 had a criminal homosexual case at least once during my tour. That’s the fact. I was an Infantryman. I really don’t care who anybody sleeps with. The problem was people used the power of position to sexually abuse subordinates or those weak in character or personality.
      Another issue comes up – if you condone homosexuality in the ranks, then what happens with showers, latrines etc. Everyone showers together, sexual orientation not considered? Because it logically makes no sense to have different barracks, showers, etc if sexual orientation ‘does not matter’. And really, that old saw about ‘what makes you think I would be attracted to you’ is real crap. Most women I served with in the Army I was not attracted to, however, I would have been court martialed if I tried to shower with them.