Top Democrat says U.S. Chamber agenda is outsourcing jobs

A top Democrat on Tuesday said the U.S. Chamber of Commerce’s “agenda” is to send U.S. jobs overseas.

“The Chamber has an agenda, and it’s aimed at promoting outsourcing of American jobs, and spending money against those who stood against them,” said Jon Vogel, executive director of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC0.

Vogel made the comment at a forum hosted by National Journal, which included his Republican counterpart, Guy Harrison, executive director of the National Republican Congressional Committee.

Upon hearing Vogel’s comment, Harrison pounced.

“Wait, wait, wait, wait. The Chamber’s agenda is outsourcing U.S. jobs. The U.S Chamber of Commerce? I just want to make sure,” Harrison said.

Vogel and Harrison talked back and forth for a moment as the audience tittered. Vogel made reference to comments by the Chamber’s chief executive, Tom Donohue. A DCCC spokesman later sent out a list of comments by Donohue on the topic.

“There are legitimate values in outsourcing,” Donohue said in 2004, “to gain technical experience and benefit we don’t have here, to lower the price of products, which means more and more of them are brought into the United States.”

“But the bottom line is that we outsource very few jobs in relation to the size of our economy,” Donohue said. “American companies employ 140 million Americans … The outsourcing deal over three or four or five years and the two or three sets of numbers are only going to be, you know, maybe two, maybe three million jobs, maybe four.”

The Chamber also recently opposed legislation called the “Creating American Jobs and Ending Offshoring Act.”

According to OpenCongress.org, the bill “would give companies a two-year payroll tax holiday, reducing the amount of Social Security taxes they would have to pay, for new employees who replace workers doing similar jobs overseas.”

“It also revokes provisions of the tax code that Democrats say encourage companies to outsource their work force.”

The Chamber said in a Sept. 23 letter to U.S. Senators that “the concept of economic growth is not a zero-sum game.”

“Replacing a job that is based in another country with a domestic job does not stimulate economic growth or enhance the competitiveness of American worldwide companies,” said the letter from R. Bruce Josten, the Chamber’s top lobbyist.

Josten urged senators to extend all of the Bush tax cuts instead, maintaining that the U.S. business community has expressed a preference for the cuts as a way to stimulate economic growth.

At the forum, Harrison continued to mock Vogel’s comment.

“We have jumped officially the shark,” Harrison said, as the audience laughed. “If you wonder why people think Democrats are anti-business. Thank you.”

Vogel tried to salvage his point by distinguishing between the national Chamber and its affiliates around the country.

“I think you need to separate the local chambers who have endorsed our candidates from the U.S. Chamber,” he said.

But the DCCC doubled down later on a variation of the charge by Vogel that outsourcing was the Chamber’s “agenda,” titling its e-mail to reporters, “NRCC Executive Director Unaware U.S. Chamber President Tom Donahue Supports the Outsourcing of American jobs.”

Vogel’s comment came in the midst of his accusation that outside groups spending money on TV campaign ads for Republicans have the wrong values and priorities.

“If you look at the groups who are spending money … it kind of delineates the clear difference between the two parties,” Vogel said. “We have a group called 60 Plus that is spending millions of dollars. The group 60 Plus is funded by insurance companies who have made billions off of privatizing Medicare. So there’s an agenda behind their ads.”

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  • truebearing

    Nice try Dog boy, we all know you are opposed to everything I listed.

    • truebearing

      Yet another reply failure. this is getting to be old hat.

  • J Baustian

    It is Democrat Party policies that are FORCING companies to leave America, because they cannot survive with all the new labor, environmental, and health “reform” regulations. Repeal every bit of Democrat-sponsored legislation of the last 30 years and the employers and jobs will come back.

  • truebearing

    Didn’t Government Motors recently announce it was making one of their new Barrymobiles in Mexico?

    What about the millions and millions of dollars of bailout money that went to foreign banks?

    Didn’t Obama just give billions to Mexico and Brazil to explore deepwater drilling, in water far deeper than the BP disaster, but banned it here until just today? Won’t that create jobs in those countries, and didn’t it cost us jobs here?

    Isn’t it Obama who has made a big deal about alternative energy and squandered billions on solar projects that are being supplied by foreign companies?

    How about all of the construction jobs, and companies, that are gone because of his constant intimidation of those who have the money to build but are hiding their money instead? Why didn’t he lower taxes for business and free up credit? that would have helped immensely. Was that the Chamber’s doing too?

    i suppose it’s the Chamber’s fault, and George Bush, too.

    • DoloresCruz

      It is absolutely true that the US Chamber is a primary champion fighting for offshoring and H-1Bs. The Indian press celebrates this relationship on a frequent basis. Here is only one example: http://tinyurl.com/25yvfg3

      Foreign money and lobbyists rushed in to defeat the recent modest attempt to start encouraging American companies to hire Americans. Why Nasscom officials probably bunked and dined with the US Chamber the whole time.

      • truebearing

        I noticed you ignored anything I brought up.

        If you want to correct outsourcing as a problem, start with getting rid of over regulation, unions, and high taxes. The Chamber of Commerce doesn’t decide what individual businesses do, but our Fascist government does.

  • cgoodman11
  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jeff-Hasselberger/1483916944 Jeff Hasselberger

    If brains were dynamite, Jon Vogel couldn’t blow his hat off. The Chamber is mostly small to medium-sized businesses — lots of them retailers. They have every incentive to keep jobs here, so that people can have money to spend at their establishments. To even suggest that the “agenda” is to ship jobs overseas is idiotic. Talk about the politics of fear!

    • truebearing

      Excellent! LMAO!!! If you don’t mind, I would like to recycle your comment on brains and dynamite. We’re in a target rich environment, and I suspect there will be plenty of opportunities.

      The left doesn’t know how anything works, except demogogeury and lying. They spend every waking minute scheming for power, and when they get it, they fall flat on their moronic faces. Unfortunately they destroy a lot of good people when they fall.

  • loudog

    Every other country in the world protects their workers and industry, except the USA. Our strings are pulled by corporate profits and cheap labor at the expense of the middle class and the American Dream.

    • recovered dem

      You sound like a cheap recording stuck on dumb! Other countries are creating legislation to make it more attractive for businesses, but not Obama and the Dems! This anti-business president just keeps forcing businesses to go elsewhere with all his ridiculous regulations! Obama and the Dems have made such a mess out of health care that no one is hiring because no one knows what this idiot is going to come up with next!

      • recovered dem

        Past script, you can also give a big thank you to the unions which your leader supports!

      • loudog

        You say I’m dumb but then you just reinforced my point about other countries protecting their workers and not ours. What does that make you?

        • truebearing

          Loud Dogma,

          Reducing taxes is legislation, curbing union corruption is legislation, getting rid of idiotic over-regulation is legislation, repealing Obamacide is legislation. That is what helps business, and that is what he meant.

          • loudog

            I know what he meant and you just supported my point as well. Good for you.

          • truebearing

            Nice try Dog boy. We all know how much you agree with anything I wrote.

    • The_anniebanannie

      You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. “Every other country”? Really? Let’s ask people in Venezuela how well they are “looked out for” by their government. How about Korea? Indonesia? Soviet Union? How about Iran? Do you really thing they have full pensions and paid Holidays in Mexico? …..yea, “every other country”. Ask Greece how well it’s worked out for them to have 28 hour weeks and full pensions for everybody.

      • truebearing

        The government in Greece is looking out for all of their citizens. They are chopping off the feet of diabetics to save money, and all because they lavished union workers with outrageous pay and benefits and are now bankrupt.

        Loud Dogma has trouble with cause and effect.

      • loudog

        Does any other country in the world export their industrial base to the third world like we do? You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about. Absolutely none. Not even a little bit. Not one small amount. Zero. Zilch. Nada.

        • truebearing

          Says the dogmatist who doesn’t have a farthing of knowledge of how wealth is created or jobs are created.

          If we got rid of unions, reduced taxes, and eliminated excessive government regulation, we wouldn’t have so much outsourcing. I don’t like the fact that we have lost our manufacturing base, and didn’t agree with it when Reagan was touting a service based economy, but as long as the parasitic unions and tax happy government continue driving up the cost of manufacturing, we will continue to not be competitive, and therefore will outsource.

          Tort reform would help immensely as well. Product lawsuits, work related lawsuits, discrimination lawsuits, sexual harassment lawsuits, etc etc all drive up the cost of making things in this country.

          Lets hear your solutions, know it all, in detail. Tell us how the government should be helping.

          • loudog

            Thanks for backing up my original point again. The government sits by, or encourages this while it happens.
            My solutions, lower the corporate tax rate, tax breaks for small companies, tort reform, tariffs on countries who manipulate their currency and block our products (china), rethink our failed “global free trade” policies that have aided communist China at the expense of US manufacturing and jobs.

          • truebearing

            Why didn’t you just say that to begin with? I don’t disagree with you on this, and admit that I misunderstood you. I apologize. In fairness, you could have stated your position more completely in the beginning of the thread, but I do apologize for misreading what you were saying.

    • grayzel

      Dog, dog , dog. “Our strings are pulled by corporate profits and cheap labor at the expense of the middle class and the American Dream.” Loud

      If I understand you, you are saying corporate profits are demanding more regulations which bring up costs of a product. Are you also saying higher taxes which raise the cost of doing business will help the companies raise the pay standard for the cheap labor? I guess I just do not understand you.

      • loudog

        I didn’t say anything about regulations or taxes. I said that our government sits back and does nothing at the expense of the American middle class while US companies sell out and run to third world countries for cheap labor and flood our markets with cheap crap made in communist China.

    • thephranc

      Your talking points are lies.

      • loudog

        YOU LIE!!

        aren’t you supposed to be working…or playing golf?

  • flips

    The Chamber also recently opposed legislation called the “Creating American Jobs and Ending Offshoring Act.”

    Of course they did. They are the Chamber of Profits, not Chamber of Jobs for the Middle Class. The Chamber is all about international free trade agreements that send jobs to China and India.

    They represent the interests of billionaires, not the working people.

    Good for the Dems for finally taking the working man’s side on this issue. Clinton’s free trade agenda was complete crap for Americans.

    • lht

      flips, what is funny is that a lot of Republican voters would oppose what the Chamber does, but if the story is presented as “Democrats Oppose Chamber,” the Republican voters will automatically support the Chamber. A very convenient way of getting people to support something which they really oppose.

      • The_anniebanannie

        You mean kinda like the way you and flips jump on any bandwagon going by as long as you can get in your anti-republican, anti-corporation talking points in?

        • truebearing

          Whether it makes a shred of sense, or not.

          Neither one of these two goose steppers understands how wealth is created, or why the government can’t just spend money in massive excess of what revenues they bring in. Like all socialists, they figure they can always find someone to steal from to keep the government going. They apparently aren’t aware that 100% of the Marxist regimes in the 20th Century failed miserably, and those still hanging on by their finger nails are turning to capitalism (Cuba).

          Rigid dogmatists have so much trouble with things like cause and effect.

    • J Baustian

      I would be automatically skeptical of any legislation entitled the “Creating American Jobs and Ending Offshoring Act.” It probably destroys two jobs for every one “created or saved”.

    • thephranc

      Your talking points are lies..

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  • RobR

    More baseless , unsubstantiated charges from the radical left.

    Truth be told , it is president Obama himself , in concert with his corrupt union official cronies , that pose the greatest threat for the irreversable extinction of the semi-skilled , skilled worker in this country.

    Through the dirty back room dealings , sactioned by Obama , organizations such as SEIU , headed by Andy Stearn ,one of the two most welcome guests to receive a private spooning session with the president. ( 23 ) The other was the GE / NBC parent co. cheif , Jeff Imelt are attempting to corrupt the delicate balance between manufacturing , distribution and American corporations causing the inevitable ( moving operations overseas to occur ) to happen.

    It’s a simple case of putting the whores ( obama / unions ) before the cart ( American workers / America ).

    Unions throughout recent history have been the ruination of much of Industrial America. They are singlehandedly responsible for the enormous blight of our once great cities from coast to coast.

    You need look no further than the lastest scurge of the unions ( teachers ) to see just how devistating to the survival of our children , our country and future this cancer is to American society.

    Need further proof of just what mayhem and chaos awaits us if we do not stop Obama from removing the stake driven through it’s heart and resurrecting this curse? Just watch what these degenerate animals ( UNION WORKERS ) are doing around the world today.They burn businesses to the ground and have even commited murder simply because their opposition said……enough is enough.

  • jiminga

    Pure desperation, pure BS