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Tax breaks for employer health plans a target again

Job-based health care benefits could wind up on the chopping block if President Barack Obama and congressional Republicans get serious about cutting the deficit.

Budget proposals from leaders in both parties have urged shrinking or eliminating tax breaks that help make employer health insurance the leading source of coverage in the nation and a middle-class mainstay.

The idea isn’t to just raise revenue, economists say, but finally to turn Americans into frugal health care consumers by having them face the full costs of their medical decisions.

Such a re-engineering was rejected by Democrats only a few months ago, at the height of the health care overhaul debate. But Washington has changed, with Republicans back in power and widespread fears that the burden of government debt may drag down the economy.

“There is no short-term prospect of enactment,” former Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle, a leading Democratic adviser on health care. “However, in a tax reform (and) deficit reducing context in the long term, the prospects are much better,” said Daschle. He opposes repealing the tax break by itself, but says he would be “willing to look” at it with other changes that improve access to quality health care while reducing costs.

Labor unions believed they had squelched any such talk. Now, they’re preparing for another fight.

Tampering with health care tax breaks is “a terrible step in the wrong direction,” said Mary Kay Henry, the new president of the Service Employees International Union, which represents many hospital workers. “We want the middle class stabilized, not destabilized.”

Employer-provided health insurance is part of a worker’s compensation. Unlike wages, it isn’t subject to income and payroll taxes.

Repealing the tax break would raise several hundred billion dollars a year, depending on how it’s done. Many economists believe employers would boost pay if they didn’t provide health care. Proponents of repeal usually call for a tax credit to offset part of the cost of individually purchasing coverage.

The leaders of Obama’s deficit commission – Democrat Erskine Bowles, a former Clinton White House chief of staff, and Alan Simpson, a former GOP senator from Wyoming – have proposed to limit the tax break or eliminate it along with other cherished deductions, such as the one for mortgage interest. That would allow for a big cut in tax rates.

The commission is supposed to report its plan on Wednesday. It’s unclear if leaders have the votes to back their sweeping changes.

A separate group, the Bipartisan Policy Center, is proposing to cap the health care tax break in 2018 and eliminate it over the next 10 years. That’s part of a deficit reduction strategy from Democrat Alice Rivlin, a former Federal Reserve vice chairman, and former Sen. Pete Domenici, R-N-M., who once led the Senate Budget Committee.

“The problem of rising debt is so serious that Republicans and Democrats are going to have go back and look at almost everything to see how we solve this,” said Rivlin.

Simpson calls the health care tax break a “tax earmark.” He said that “you cannot get anything done in this game unless you deal with every single aspect of the federal budget, and the biggest thing to wrap our arms around is health care.”

Democrats struggled with proposals to curb the tax break during the health care debate, but strong opposition from organized labor won out. The compromise was a tax on high-cost health insurance plans, which won't go into effect until 2018.

In a twist, the health care law eventually may make it easier to pry people away from employer insurance, a system that dates to World War II and has sustained three generations.

Starting in 2014, new insurance markets will make it easier for people to buy coverage on their own. These state-based “exchanges” would work like the federal employee health plan. Taxpayer subsidies will help individuals and families with low to moderate incomes pay premiums.

“Before health reform, a declining role for employers would have raised concerns,” Rivlin and Domenici said in their proposal. But well-run exchanges “will provide a viable – perhaps even superior – alternative.”

One Democratic member of Obama’s deficit commission is wrestling with the idea.

California Rep. Xavier Becerra says it’s a very different situation from the health care debate. Back then, policymakers were looking for money to pay for covering the uninsured. Now, they’re looking at rebalancing the role of government in the economy. He’s not considering health care tax breaks in isolation.

“What we are saying is that we are going to examine every tax earmark,” Becerra said. “They are all on the table. If you want to keep one, then show us how you are going to come up with the money. That’s where you really have to put your money where your mouth is.”

  • ladylove

    I said this before

    let them both, be forced to live on the average social security check, and be told that is all they get for the rest of their lives, and their mate, if they have one, as well.

    let them be told their pensions, savings, and all other income from all sources, are gone.

    then and only then, would they know what it really is like, and I guarantee, they would never call anyone who does get SS and disability, GREEDY AGAIN.

    NOTE if people getting only SS are Greedy, what in God’s name does that make Bill Gates, and Warren Buffet, and all other Millionaires, who now collect, or will collect SS.

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  • Tess_Comments

    That should have been Care.

    Repeal the Health Care Law and SAVE BILLIONS.

    On the other hand if government did buy less cars, that would also save some $$.

  • Tess_Comments

    Repeal the Health Car Law and SAVE BILLIONS.

    • ladylove

      I totally agree.

  • kingfish

    Famed Expert on Fed Reveals Looming Crisis

    EXCERPT:
    “Barack Obama’s $700 billion TARP program was “only one small part of the trillions of dollars’ worth of backdoor bailouts, asset guarantees, low-interest- rate loans, free money and other benefits handed out to the Money Trust.” (banks & wall street)
    “American Free Press reported that the true cost of this economic INSANITY nearly equals our entire gross domestic product. In an attempt to make sense of this increasingly chaotic situation, AFP continued the call for the Fed to open its books to taxpayers instead of, as AFP noted, “stonewalling the release of all details to the public.”
    “Griffin put this matter into perspective: “Even if all government spending was stopped and every federal agency closed down, the future debts that we’re responsible for are too enormous to cover.”

    Continued at: http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/famed_expert_on_fed__245.html

  • kingfish

    DROP DEAD BOWLES, SIMPSON, Rivlin, Becerra, and DASHERT! Dashert, you were FIRED by the people! Go away! Besides slashing social security for old people who have no other income, these JERKS who consider themselves ELITE now want to take away YOUR tax deductions, and they already met in October on confiscating YOUR 401Ks and pension funds, led by Pelosi and the Dims.

    SIMPSON AND BOWLES thought they were going to make a big SPLASH on the Deficit Commission, until they got flack from Americans across the country saying NO to social security cuts when there’s no plan to cut RAMPANT wastefulness and obsolete departments and functions across the entire government.

    The fact that Simpson is complaining about spending $25K of his own money is SAD, especially when he and his comrades in the Senate got wealthy on making deals with lobbyists which are NOT in the interest of the people. Mr. Simpson, just ask Obama and Bernanke to reimburse you — they’ve forked over money to every other elite on the face of the earth….by robbing “the little people”.

    Since the entire deficit is owed to the Federal Reserve, a PRIVATE bank owned by 13 elite mostly European families and the Rockefellers, and it was generated unconstitutionally by allowing the FED to print money rather than Treasury, the entire deficit should be WRITTEN OFF as a FRAUD against the people.

    That said, Congress NEEDS to CUT SPENDING DRASTICALLY. The tea partiers should be the people on this “commission”. Bowles and Simpson are so old and with the “in-crowd” that they are “out of touch”. If I hear one more politician say they want to cut Social Security (a small monthly stipend for the seniors who paid into it all their lives), instead of the VAST WASTEFUL GOVERNMENT AGENCIES that never go away regardless of being obsolete, I will scream!

    SOME THINGS THAT COULD BE SLASHED WITH NO ADVERSE EFFECT ON AMERICANS:

    (1) Dept of Education (worked better at the State and County level – grades continue to deteriorate)

    (2) Homeland Security (REFUSES to do its job of securing the border or deporting illegals. Instead, spends taxpayers money suing AZ, harassing airline passengers, and sending notices to nationwide police departments that returning Vets, tea partiers, patriots, and those with anti-Obama stickers on their cars are TERRORISTS. Allows their agents to insist an airline put a panty-bomber on their airplane with no ID (Christmas bomber). FOSTERED BP poisoning of the Gulf and allowed the Coast Guard, now under their supervision, to cover up OIL, TOXIC OCEAN, TOXIC SEAFOOD, TOXIC AIR, CONTINUED COREXIT SPRAYING, and PEOPLE DYING. Napolitano should have been fired YEARS AGO!

    (3) The FBI and DOJ REFUSE to do their jobs of prosecuting Wall Street and big banks or investigate ForeclosureGate or Fannie/Freddie. The FBI covered up the Turkish Council and Israeli lesbian blackmail of Rep Jan Schakowsky that Sibel Edmonds testified about on Aug 8, 2009, and Schakowsky is STILL Chair of the House “Intelligence” Committee. The DOJ is just plain incompetent and fails to do its job altogether, despite Judicial Watch proof of coverup on the Black Panthers crime. DOJ spends taxpayer dollars suing AZ against Americans’ wishes.

    (4) Dept of Energy, which despite an oil crisis in 1972 has FAILED MISERABLY in turning the nation into an energy-efficient one in regard to housing and transportation. 100 years of future technology and medical cures for cancer THAT TAXPAYERS PAID FOR was handed over to military-industrial corporations who REFUSE TO GIVE THAT TECHNOLOGY TO THE PUBLIC. With the super-fast advancement of electronics, we should be driving spaceships by now, rather than the same oil-based cars at 25 mpg we were driving in the 50’s. Even electric cars (Volt) are old technology! Where are the air cars from Australia?

    (5) The wars should be ended and the Pentagon blasted for its use of hundreds of thousands of mercenaries like Halliburton, KBR, XE, etc. and for buying brand new trucks when a tire blows rather than stocking TIRES, and for their Israeli Pentagon comptroller losing over $4 trillion just prior to 911 (no investigation, no prosecution – definitely a coverup. The comptroller’s company manufactured remote control systems for planes), and for “losing” another $8 billion last year, and for “losing” planeloads of cash sent to Iraq, and for their ABJECT FAILURE (along with the Red Cross and Clinton/Bush fundraising — where did THAT money go?) to help Haiti in any way, shape or form. THE PENTAGON’S BUDGET SHOULD BE CUT FOR ALL THESE LOSSES IN THE FOLLOWING YEAR’S BUDGET. The Pentagon’s ever-expanding military bases, like the new one they’re planning in Columbia, should be SHUT DOWN and all those soldiers brought home to defend our own nation. Cutting over 800 bases across the globe should save PLENTY. Add all those foreign jobs, vehicles, and equipment we’re paying for at these bases.

    (6) The State Dept under Hillary should STOP building billion-dollar embassies in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, and London. Who will use these embassies in the desert and in war zones? Staffs of over 2000 and security personnel of 500 for each embassy, vehicles, office supplies, gasoline, and equipment would rack up huge savings.

    (7) The Czars and their staffs should be cut. Michelle’s 27 aids should be cut. There should be a BUDGET LIMIT for presidential foreign trips.

    (8) Nancy Pelosi should NOT be given an airplane. All members of congress should fly commercial, and so should the presidential staff.

    (9) $385 billion in social services handouts to illegals PER YEAR…food stamps, SSI (social security they DIDN’T pay into), HUD housing where Obama’s illegal aunt lived, free hospitalization, medicaid, free college education under DREAM Act, free public schools, prison for 30% illegal inmates, FREE LEGAL DEFENSE, building more schools, more prisons, hiring more teachers, more policemen, more court personnel, while they commit murders and rapes of children, form criminal gangs with impunity, drive drunk killing Americans. FORGET the Dream Act! Pass “birthright” bill.

    (10) Cut Israeli foreign aid completely (this is directed to Cantor). Americans are tired of paying for the war-mongering and threats.

    (11) Combine all the competing Intelligence agencies, and cut personnel.

    (12) Abolish the CIA which for 60 years has been engaged in drug-running, gun-running, money-laundering, and assassination rings against Americans, American soldiers, both foreign and American leaders….all in the name of the American people.

    (13) Abolish IRS.

    (14) Abolish the Federal Reserve. Again, only Treasury is allowed to print currency under the constitution.

    (15) Make Congress part-time as suggested by Gov Jindal (no more than 6 months) which would cut down on the legislative PLOTS they use against the people, and would cut their expenses by HALF.

    THESE ARE JUST A “FEW” SUGGESTIONS, BUT THERE ARE THOUSANDS MORE….AND THE PEOPLE WANT SOMETHING DONE ABOUT ALL THESE ATROCITIES, rather than cutting old people’s social security. We’re VERY ANGRY that the “really greedy” like those on this committee who’ve spent a lifetime feeding at the public trough, want to cut social security from seniors who’ve already had their pension funds stolen by Congress, Treasury, the FED, and Wall Street.

    QE2 & The Great Misdiagnosis: (Read States vs. Fed section)
    G20 countries called Bernanke “clueless”; Bank of America spiraling toward bankruptcy
    http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/jim-willie/qe2-and-the-great-misdiagnosis

    • ladylove

      what a great list.

      $13. could not agree more.

      to #14, I would add,

      cut their salaries to equal what a private’s salary entering the Army is, and they only get a raise when we the people vote them a raise,

      no more attending seminars in exotic ports of call, that amount to nothing more than high priced vacations.

      no more fact finding tours, how damn many people have to go to the same place, to find out the same thing.

      no more fancy hotels/apartments, they get one modest place to stay while in Washington. no more fancy resturants either.

      I agree with another poster I saw here, let the state they come from, pay their salaries, and their expenses, and let them be listed for everyone to see.

      no more allowing them to have their office suite bathroom(s), be remodeled to the tune of 350,000.00 dollars a pop.

      it is time they stopped living high off the hog, and leaving all the fat for the taxpayer to contend with.

      • ladylove

        I am sorry that should be 15, not 14.

    • ladylove

      they should also stop giving other country’s money, like Pakistan, for things like Job Creation,

      and keep our money here, and create jobs for AMERICAN CITIZENS.

  • BillyShaft

    Good. I hope they remove the tax deductability of it and push responsibility for healthcare to the consumer. The separation of the consumer from the direct costs of their healthcare is a huge contributing factor of the problems with the system today.

  • ojfl

    I find it amazing that many of the proposals coming out of the deficit commission have one way or another been proposed by the GOP. We were told they were the party of no ideas. Last year during the health care debate the GOP proposed to move the exemption out of the employer and into the individual and then phase it out over time. Did the press pay attention? No. They decided to further the idea the GOP was the party of obstructionism.