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Dems Fail to Keep Fear Alive

Dems out-stunt themselves: Was it a good idea for Democrats to kill off the Ryan plan by forcing a vote in the Senate? Once it’s clear the plan isn’t going anywhere, it’s not so scary anymore.  Dems needed to keep the monster alive, no? … For example, Republicans have opposed abortion for years but this isn’t necessarily a disqualifying position for them with the pro-choice majority because everyone knows the Supreme Court will block any plans to actually implement the full GOP position. Similarly, swing-voting seniors can now go ahead and elect Republican Congressmen because it’s clear the Senate will almost certainly protect them from the Ryan plan the GOP House members have endorsed. … I’m not saying the Dems have lost the Medicare weapon. But the Senate vote has decreased the issue’s power–when it was supposed to do the opposite. It seems like a classic misguided consultants’ play for short-term media advantage.  But, hey, they won the news cycle!  …

  • Dredmalice

    “it’s clear the Senate will almost certainly protect them from the Ryan plan”

    This is flawed logic because it is typical Kaus inside-the-beltway thinking. To seniors in the real world, there is no ‘Senate’ and ‘House of Representatives’. There is only ‘Congress’ or, to some, ‘Washington’

  • john whorfin

    I’m not sure the Dems see things that way. After all, they still seem to think they get minleage out of reminders that GWB tried to “hand over the SS Trust Fund to Goldman Sacs” and that Ronald Reagan once mentioned the idea of classivying catsup as a “vegetable” for the purposes of school lunches.

    Their M.O. often seems to be based on the idea that any “dead” idea could suddenly spring to life and institute itself into policy if not for their constant vigilance (or maybe they’re too used to playing only to their own “base”). After all, they are the party who protected us from GOP ideas like calling an individual insurance mandata “health care reform” and a cap-and-trade based greenhouse emissions policy as “climate policy”….

    • ak4mc

      Their M.O. often seems to be based on the idea that any “dead” idea could suddenly spring to life and institute itself into policy if not for their constant vigilance

      I think you’re right. I remember there have even been claims within the past couple of decades that Republicans plan to bring back slavery.

      Maybe it is just playing to the base, but it only works if people don’t fall over laughing at the sheer idiocy of it.

  • gooners

    Yes, it’s clear the Senate will protect Medicare…as long as its controlled by Democrats. Think it through Kaus.

    The focus on seniors is where Republicans are wrong. They think they can protect their senior vote by maintaining Medicare for them and cutting it off for those under 55. But their miscalculating the fact that people not currently retired would like Medicare to be there when they do, and people already on Medicare know the program will be needed by their children and grandchildren. Why would the elderly vote to end the program for younger generations? They are the ones that know the value of Medicare the best.

    • hostdude99

      >> Why would the elderly vote to end the program for younger generations?

      You’re missing a point – many people in the younger generation realize they will probably never see a cent of medicare if it continues along its current path. Seniors who are honest will understand the same thing.

      • wellbasically

        You mean the younger generation that would get on the hook for their parents medical costs, when the HSA runs out?

        • kwo

          I’m already paying for my parents’ Medicare. The difference is that the Ryan plan has people paying their own premiums (and as you point out possibly their own bills). That creates incentive to keep costs down, which in turn fosters competition. Meaning I (and my children) will be paying less in the long-term for the same health care.

          BTW, why was it fine for Orszag and Obama to talk about keeping Medicare costs down last year, but okay for Ryan and Boehner to talk about it this year?

          • kwo

            Wups, meant “…but *not* okay for Ryan and Boehner…”

    • chicagochuck

      What nobody mentions, not even the GOP, is that the voucher system is based off of the Congressional health plan. The Republicans have NO CLUE how to sell an idea and bring it to the American people. Their consultants have NO CLUE! ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE! State the FACTS. Be Joe Friday.
      http://www.futurevoicesofamerica.org

    • Mickey Kaus

      Even if GOPs win the Senate, they’d need to get to 60 *without* the five GOP votes they lost. Don’t think that is in the cards.

      • DWAnderson

        I’m not sure they would need 60 votes under reconciliation rules. If this reduces spending, couldn’t they pass it with 51 votes?

        • john whorfin

          I think they could pass it with 51 votes if it changes spending in any way since they could then claim it’s part of “the budget” for reconciliation. The Dems were pretending that their HC plan would magically reduce spending more as a means of keeping public support (just as they continue to pretend that rationing isn’t an inevitable part of anything that could possibly control costs).

          Of course, if the GOP used reconciliation to do anything like that, there’d be no end to the calls of foul play from the Dems (one of those things that’s NBD/BAU when “your” side does it and beyond the pale when “their” side does the same; about the only thing both parties sort-of agree on).

  • DWAnderson

    Mickey is corret. One of the big reasons Obamacare was a powerful issue in 2010 is that it BECAME LAW. Being “on the record” in favor of something unpopular is not nearly as bad and can actually be spun as consistency and courage.

  • jvanke

    But they got 40 Republican Senators on the record voting for the Medicare phase-out (plus 2 more not voting). That will come in handy to Dem Senate campaigns.

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