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Equal Rights Amendment seen as back door to same-sex marriage

The Democrat-driven Equal Rights Amendment (ERA) revival may be a back door means of legalizing same-sex marriage, some legal experts say. The amendment passed both houses of Congress in 1973, but failed to be ratified by the necessary 38 states; it has been reintroduced each year since.

“It’s a real simple argument,” said long-time ERA opponent Phyllis Schlafly. “ERA would make all federal and state laws sex neutral. If two men show up and say we want a marriage license and [the person] says ‘you’re both men, I’m not giving it to you,’ that would be discriminatory.”

Schlafly said ERA would only apply to laws that are currently not sex-neutral such as marriage and the draft. But it would have no bearing on those such as employment laws, because they are already sex neutral.

Shari Rendall, the Director of Legislation and Public Policy at Concerned Women for America (CWA), agrees with Schafly, adding that she thinks ERA is just a front for a feminist agenda.

“[ERA] is not so much about rights as committing a feminist agenda, an attempt to create a gender neutral community,” Rendall said. One of those feminist agenda items, Rendall said, was the legalization of same-sex marriage.

Opponents argue that, under ERA, equality would not be denied on “account of sex” and therefore it would be illegal to ban two citizens of the same sex from getting married. Although it wouldn’t explicitly allow gay marriage, ERA would prevent it from being excluded because there would no longer be a separate legal definition for “man” and for “woman.”

Though no part of the amendment alludes to anything regarding sexual orientation, if the amendment passes, state or local bans on same-sex marriage could be held as unconstitutional in court, opponents say. (Abercrombie & Fitch faces another diversity lawsuit)

“If they can’t get their agenda through the legislative system, they’ll go to the courts,” Rendall said. “You see that even in court decisions it has been said that banning same sex marriage would be unconstitutional in light of ERA.”

Rendall said many feminist organizations and supporters of the ERA tend to downplay this aspect or even outwardly deny a relation. She added that feminist groups aren’t always forthcoming with potential side effects of their initiatives like this because they don’t always have full support for the entire scope of their projects.

“People generally aren’t there,” Rendall said. “If you look at where the votes are in the states that have same-sex marriage on the ballot — they haven’t won. Even in California where they had same-sex marriage on the ballot [as a ballot initiative], it didn’t pass.”

  • kingfish

    NEW YORK GAY MARRIAGE: FOLLOW THE (JEWISH) MONEY http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2011/06/new-york-gay-marriage-follow-the-jewish-money/

    EXCERPT
    “Larry Auster is a religious man (born Jewish and an Episcopalian convert) as well as a Conservative and he is disgusted, posting a discussion of a New York Times article on Sunday: “Liberals celebrate their disgrace”

    “What these wealthy Jews are saying is that their opinions backed by their money should get paramountcy, and the preferences and religious scruples of the majority of their fellow countrymen count for nothing and should be ignored…the motive is straight out of Kevin MacDonald’s analysis – an insatiable and ferocious lust to eradicate the Christian aspects of the culture of their host, regardless of the fruits it has allowed them to reap.”

    • MyChalkLine

      That’s one crazy coalition you have cooked up: the jews, the satanists, the nazis, the homosexuals, the fascists, and george soros all working together to turn you into a homosexual right?

      I’m trying to tell you we’re aliens and Lady Gaga is our leader.

  • BigRmv

    Alright, this is off-topic to a certain extent, but it has to do with the importance of Constitutional Amendments.

    Would someone please tell me why is it that liberals are always attacking our rights, the rights the Founding Fathers enacted in the Constitution via the guarantee of the Bill of Rights? Rights such as free speech (example: Obama’s pursuit of his detractors via ‘czars.’) and the right to keep and bear arms (gun control). But when it comes to abstracts NOT in the Constitution, they jump squarely on the “But it’s my right to do that!” band wagon?

    Why do non-enumerated rights always get the full support of the liberals and progressives? Or, if you think the topic of the day here is part of the enumerated rights in the Constitution, why argue for a special amendment?

  • kingfish

    Investigative Reporter Wayne Madsen SPECIAL REPORT. Obama and Emanuel: Members of Same Gay Bath House Club in Chicago

    http://www.opinion-maker.org/2010/08/why-obama-is-subjected-to-blackmails/

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  • Warreniscorrectmer

    In order to understand the “Gay” marriage movement, one needs to understand what San Fran Nan considers normal. The web page http://www.zombietime.com/up_your_alley_2008/ provides a warning about the Zombietime web pages to which one may link if they have nerve enough to take a peek at what passes for normal behavior in San Francisco. The above web page contains only words. That web page offers the reader an opportunity to link to the “full uncensored version”, “a blurred censored version” or to link to the main page of Zombietime where there are links to photos of various public events.

  • kingfish

    OBAMA should be called the “BACK-DOOR” president…in more ways than one. He has no idea how to accomplish legislation the constitutional way. In fact, he seems to despise the constitution, and probably has never read it. He thinks it’s his job to CIRCUMVENT the American people and Congress. Because of this, Congress needs to cut off his operating funds COLD until he begins complying with the law.

    • kingfish

      http://www.henrymakow.com/gender_differences_are_not_ste.html

      Note: The largest BANKS (and the FED) are run by zionist Jews like the Rockefellers and Rothschilds who have long histories of financing both sides of every war. They are responsible for the murders of Presidents Jackson, Lincoln, and JFK due to these presidents’ efforts to take money-printing back to Treasury under the constitution rather than the FED. These families practice satanism.

      EXCERPT
      “The essence of satanism is to substitute the perversions of Lucifer-loving BANKERS for God-given reality. This means that all that is natural and healthy must be deemed sick; all that is true is false; and all that is good is evil. And vice versa.”

      “Thus, we have a vicious mindless attack on gender, and male-female love, things that are healthy, natural, god-given and necessary.”

      “The satanist Illuminati attack on gender is an attack on heterosexuals and on love itself. Obviously, the economic elite and media are complicit. They are controlled by the Illuminati banking cartel. You can see it in the BANKERS’ FINANCING of gay marriage.”

  • MyChalkLine

    If you’re not Gay don’t marry into a gay marriage.

    If you’re not straight don’t marry into a straight marriage.

    It doesn’t matter what YOU want other peoples Marriage is not your business.

    Gay Marriage is becoming legal in a state with no residency law and there is nothing you can do about it, anymore than i could invalidate the perverse arrangements many of you straight people engage in.

    You don’t need my approval, and i don’t need yours.

    I can see the anger and hate pouring from most of you, do you even know why you’re angry?

    What is gay marriage going to change FOR YOU? :)

    • HoosYoDaddy

      Won’ change a thing, other than to strengthen the overwhelming opposition, in my state and the (44) other mainstream states…most of which will never approve gay marriage, NAMBLA membership, marrying a cow, nor any other abhorant abnormalities.

      • MyChalkLine

        Your State “constitutional” amendments will fail, and a marriage from N.Y. will ultimately be valid in all u.s. states, as valid as any marriage is state to state, wait and see :)

        The voters of a state CANNOT pass a law that limits the rights (especially religious rights) of any person.

        1st amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

        the key here is “or prohibiting the free exercise thereof”

        Denial of gay marriage is a denial of religious rights.

        I’ve seen many commentators make clear that Marriage is a Religious institution.

        Everson v. Board of Education (1947) incorporated the Establishment Clause (i.e., made it apply against the states)

        Board of Education of Kiryas Joel Village School District v. Grumet, 512 U.S. 687 (1994), Justice David Souter, writing for the majority, concluded that “government should not prefer one religion to another, or religion to irreligion.”

        In Sherbert v. Verner, 374 U.S. 398 (1963), the Supreme Court required that states have a “compelling interest” in refusing to accommodate religiously motivated conduct

        In Church of Lukumi Babalu Aye v. City of Hialeah, 508 U.S. 520 (1993), the Supreme Court ruled Hialeah had passed an ordinance banning ritual slaughter, a practice central to the Santería religion, while providing exceptions for some practices such as the kosher slaughter. Since the ordinance was not “generally applicable,” the Court ruled that it was subject to the compelling interest test, which it failed to meet, and was therefore declared unconstitutional.

      • pink

        All recent polls show that the majority of Americans support marriage equality.

        You know what I find abhorrent? (Note spelling of “abhorrent.”) Bigotry.

        By the way, what the heck is a “mainstream state?” Are you saying there are states that are more American than others? Laughing…

        • HoosYoDaddy

          The majority of Constitution loving patriots that post on DC are sooo shocked to see you crawl out of the gutter to make more ignorant “posts” in favor of yet another abnormal, out-of-the-mainstream, immoral and destructive cause Stink…NOT! After all, you have made a stand for other perverts and perverted causes on a regular basis.

          Even in the dark blue state of California, when the only poll that matters- a vote by citizens- was taken, gay marriage was shot down, and you will not live to see the day when it becomes the law of the land, or even in the majority of the states, or when Barry gets a second term, trust me. You fail. Laughing harder. You habitual loser.

          • MyChalkLine

            Aren’t you haters a hoot?

            Your looking very homo-manic to me, afraid of two men married, how precious.

            You lost! men will be married to each other and you won’t stop it :)

        • kingfish

          What “specific” polls are those?

      • kingfish

        I agree. They can change all the laws they want, but they can’t change the public’s minds or disgust. The gay community has created a backlash by it’s incessant in-your-face demands for publicity. I don’t care if they marry baboons, but keep it OUT of my face and away from my children!

        • MyChalkLine

          “They can change all the laws they want, but they can’t change the public’s minds or disgust.”

          NO ONE CARES WHAT’S ON YOUR MIND, THE LAW IS WHAT MATTERS

          “but keep it OUT of my face and away from my children!”

          PLEASE BY ALL MEANS KEEP YOUR FACE AND YOUR CHILDREN OUT OF MY MARRIAGE.

          • kingfish

            What you and social-engineering Soros “really” want is approval and acceptance of your lifestyle as normal, dissolution of families, and children raised by the government (fascism). You won’t get it.

          • MyChalkLine

            What i really want I got.

            Gay Marriage is going forward.

            And you Lost :)

    • kingfish

      Attack on Heterosexuality is Satanism, June 29, 2011
      http://www.henrymakow.com/gender_differences_are_not_ste.html

      “The essence of satanism is to substitute the perversions of Lucifer-loving bankers for God-given reality. This means that all that is natural and healthy must be deemed sick; all that is true is false; and all that is good is evil. And vice versa.”

      “Thus, we have a vicious mindless attack on gender, and male-female love, things that are healthy, natural, god-given and necessary.”

      • MyChalkLine

        LOL Satanism now?

        Won’t Soros be jealous having to share his fascist homosexual agenda with the satanists and their “vicious mindless attack on gender, and male-female love”?

        Or do they all just consolidate under the media matters tent?

        Maybe we’re just aliens from another planet being led by Ms. Lady Gaga and this is a part of our planned invasion? :)

  • raybojabo

    What’s the difference between a ba@#ard and a legitimate child? You guessed it, a marriage license. Since you can’t get pregnant with spit, or fertilize a turd, the idea of issueing a marriage license for a gay union is the height of stupidity. That’s just common sense and has nothing to do with religion or morality. This whole gay marriage stupidity was concocted in Marxist think tanks under the guidelines of the Marxist theory of homosexuality: Marxist theory of homosexuality must, as Marxist theory, always be concerned with more than this as well: it must be concerned with a critical evaluation of the contribution that gay and lesbian resistance and opposition to heterosexism and homophobia is making and can make towards general sexual emancipation through general social transformation. Ultimately this means assessing the contribution gay and lesbian resistance and opposition to heterosexism and homophobia is making and can make towards the revolutionary socialist transformation of capitalism into communism.

    • MyChalkLine

      are you saying communists can’t marry?

      Oh and how about atheists, should they be denied marriage?

      Maybe you could list the people you’d grant a marriage to, you know just to save time, if we don’t see ourselves on the list we’ll know not to invite you to the wedding.

    • pink

      By your logic, heterosexual couples who don’t want or can’t have children should not be allowed to get married, either. You fail.

  • MyChalkLine

    you have an interesting source for your reading material.

    “Scott Lively is a noted anti-gay activist and the president of Abiding Truth Ministries, a conservative Christian organization located in Temecula, California. Abiding Truth Ministries is classified as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center. He is also directly linked to pending Anti-Gay Legislation in Uganda that would, if passed, make homosexuality punishable by a lengthy prison sentence or even death.

    Along with Kevin E. Abrams, he co-authored the book The Pink Swastika, which states in the preface that “homosexuals [are] the true inventors of Nazism and the guiding force behind many Nazi atrocities.” Several academic historians have questioned the book’s claims and selective use of research.

    Lively is the former state director for the California branch of the American Family Association and formed Watchmen on the Walls based in Riga, Latvia.

    Lively has called for the criminalization of “the public advocacy of homosexuality” as far back as 2007 and has been linked to the Uganda Anti-Homosexuality Bill.

    According to a January 2011 profile, Lively “has not changed his view that gays are ‘agents of America’s moral decline’ but has refocused his approach to fit his flock in Springfield [Massachusetts]” and “is toning down his antigay rhetoric and shifting his focus to helping the downtrodden.”

    Aww he clearly sounds like a reasonable individual who respects ALL gods children, why did i ever think he could be considered “biased” & “hateful?”

    • truebearing

      The Southern Poverty Law Center? That is your source? They are a bunch of typical lying leftists who see a right wing conspiracy behind every bush. By citing them you actually give Lively more credibility.

      If you are going to prove the authors wrong, you have to prove their facts wrong, not attack them. Typical lefty tactics.

      I don’t know anything about your allegations about Uganda, but I don’t believe you either. I’ll check it out myself. I personally do not believe in imprisoning or killing homosexuals, or denying them their civil rights for that matter. I am however opposed to destroying the meaning of marriage by including gays, and I am seriously opposed to the radical left gay agenda.

      ” Several academic historians have questioned the book’s claims and selective use of research.”

      Which ones? What exactly did they say? Where is your link? Academia is filled with leftists, gay and straight. I don’t suppose they would be biased or anything, like with global warming.

      “According to a January 2011 profile…” What profile? From who? You never produce your sources and then try to impeach mine with with vague generalizations from imaginary sources.

      Now that we have gone a few rounds, maybe you will figure out that everything gays do isn’t right, just because they are gay, and radical gay activism has been quite extreme and quite destructive in the past. Maybe you will stay in full denial. Yoy don’t think the source I used was legitimate, but they supplied their sources and they aren’t the first source I have read that identifies many of the key Nazis as homosexuals.

      Your assertions that Nazis are Christians was backed up with exactly NO facts, or even a well reasoned theory. Now you got a taste of your own medicine, except that I provided largely documented historical facts. if you would like, I can give you other sources for much of the same information.

      • MyChalkLine

        “prove the authors wrong?”

        Is that what you think i care to do?

        I have no need, if this stupid material was main-stream you wouldn’t need to keep posting it with different usernames to boost it’s insignificant credibility, instead you and your FRINGE group have gained nothing through it’s publication, in fact how many states have added gay marriage since your ignorant hateful “defendthemorons.org” was formed?

        You can keep your focus on absurd nazi revisionist history, but the world will keep spinning without you.

        You’re not fighting to protect your rights, YOU’RE FIGHTING AGAINST MINE.

        YOU WILL LOSE!

        • truebearing

          ChalkHead,

          Posting under different usernames? I see we can add paranoia to your other primary characteristics of: dishonesty, hysteria, irrationality, and stupidity. You’re an idiot, as you have so abundantly proven. Show me where I did this while you’re at it.

          I’m not fighting against your right. You don’t have a right to marry another man. The constitution certainly doesn’t allow for the creation of new rights and your deranged drivel has done nothing to change my mind.

          You and you fascist friends are taking away the rights of heterosexuals to maintain an honored tradition to call marriage the union of two people of the opposite sex, usually for the purpose of starting a family and raising children. Gays can’t do that regardless of how much you try to litigate homosexuality into normalcy or somehow equal to the marriage of two people who can procreate. Why can’t you accept the obvious differences and name your union something else? What is next, calling yourself heterosexual?

          You can have a civil union, with all of the rights of a marriage, but that isn’t good enough because you want to destroy the institution and meaning of marriage. You are violating other people’s rights with your idiotic delusions and could care less, but if one of your imaginary rights is questioned, it’s VICTIM TIME and you begin your pathetic paroxysms of self pity.

          The Pink Swastika is definitely not the only historical effort that has proven the role of homosexuals and homosexual activism in Nazi Germany. I think it is important for people to see the ruthlessness of some people in the homosexual movement, and it doesn’t get any more ruthless than the Nazis. Facts are facts whether you like them or not.

  • truebearing

    The Progressive agenda is largely driven by the radical homosexual agenda. The push we see today by the homosexualist left is what happened in the Weimar Republic in pre-WWII Germany, a period of time which saw Germany as the epicenter of homosexual activity in Europe, and the world.

    The conditions in this country are nearly identical to Germany in the 1930′s and curiously enough, so are the activities of the US gay rights movement, which significantly enough, originated in Nazi Germany.

    Here are some excerpts from the most exhaustive work yet done on the role of homosexuality in the rise of Hitler and Nazism. The parallels to our country and the rise of militant, radical, leftist homosexual activism are amazing:

    “The political agenda which has as its focus a plan to legalize and coerce a bewildered and unsuspecting public into accepting or regarding sodomy as normal or dignified, is based on falsehood, self-deception and skewed scientific research. In light of the medical record, history and the fact that sodomy represents a corruption of the natural and moral orders of creation, any positive affirmation of homosexuality is totally without merit. Human sexuality is never merely a physical concern, nor is it a purely private matter. It always has social implications. What goes on between partners influences society as a whole. In sexual matters, the issue is “what is advocated and what is practiced publicly” far more than what happens privately.
    In a letter to the editor of the Toronto Globe and Mail newspaper, February 26, 1992, Dr. Joseph Berger, Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, University of Toronto, writes, “in my 20 years of psychiatry I have never come across anyone with innate homosexuality. That notion has been a long proclaimed gay-activist political position, intended to promote the acceptance of homosexuality as a healthy, fully equal alternative expression of human sexuality. It has zero scientific foundation, though its promoters latch on to even the flimsiest shreds of atrocious research in their attempts to justify the notion.”
    As they were during the Weimar period, 1918-1933, psychiatry and academia have been hijacked and pressed into the service of establishing homosexualism as the basis of a new Kultur. Professor Hans Blueher, a practicing physician whose specialty was psychiatry, was accepted by the Nazis as the apostle and higher authority of a new social order. Blueher’s school held that male homosexual lovemaking is in itself a good thing and spiritually energizing. Blueher’s teaching became popular in Nazi circles during the period between the two World Wars and promoted the idea that a well-regulated ritual of homosexualism was a unique force capable of creating the State and assuring its leadership. The resulting creed relegated women to a purely biological function and eliminated the family as a constituent cell in the community.
    In 1973, the American Pyschiatric Association was also hijacked by American “gay” activists. Basing its decision largely on the skewed evidence of the 1948 Kinsey report Sexual Behavior in the Human Male, the APA removed homosexuality from its Diagnostic and Statistics Manual and declared it a normal variant of human sexuality. Homosexuals, sensing that the burden of change had been lifted from them and shifted onto society, were able to present themselves as innocent victims of what they referred to as society’s bigoted and “homophobic” attitude towards them as persons.
    Columnist Charles Krauthammer, in “Defining Deviancy Up,” an essay published in the November 22, 1993 edition of The New Republic (pages 20ff), in describing the real effect of the APA decision, stated that a majority of society was made deviant while homosexuality was elevated to the status of normal. Krauthammer writes, “as part of the vast social project of moral leveling, it is not enough for the deviant to be normalized. The normal must be found to be deviant.” In fact, the greatest single victory of the “gay” agenda over the past decade has been to shift the debate from behavior to identity, thus forcing opponents into a position where they are seen as attacking the civil rights of homosexual citizens rather than attacking specific antisocial behavior.
    In an interesting and informative study, a critical analysis titled “Sexual Politics and Scientific Logic: the Issue of Homosexuality,” by Dr. Charles Socarides (published in the Winter 1992 edition of The Journal of Psychohistory, Vol. 10, No. 3:317), Socarides quotes the warning of Abram Kardiner, psychoanalyst, former Professor of Psychiatry at Columbia University, 1966 recipient of the Humanities Prize of The New York Times:

    There is an epidemic form of homosexuality, which is more than the usual incidence, which generally occurs in social crises or in declining cultures when license and boundless permissiveness dulls the pain of ceaseless anxiety, universal hostility and divisiveness…Supporting the claims of homosexuals and regarding homosexuality as a normal variant of sexual activity is to deny the social significance of homosexuality…Above all it militates against the family and destroys the function of the latter as the last place in our society where affectivity can be cultivated…Homosexuality operates against the cohesive elements in society in the name of fictitious freedom. It drives the opposite sex in a similar direction. And no society can long endure when either the child is neglected or when the sexes war upon each other.

    Victim-plunder ideology is at the core of “gay” political strategy. Homosexualists exploit the public status of homosexuals to impose their new definition of human sexuality upon society. “Victim ideology” and “reductionist” thinking is destroying America from within. Today’s new victims see no reason to modify their own behavior. Victim psychology and philosophies undermine the legitimate workings of government and the justice, health and social systems. Like their Nazi predecessors, today’s homosexualists lack any scruples. Homosexuality is primarily a predatory addiction striving to take the weak and unsuspecting down with it. The “gay” agenda is a colossal fraud; a gigantic robbery of the mind. Homosexuals of the type described in this book have no true idea of how to act in the best interests of their country and fellow man. Their intention is to serve none but themselves.”

    • MyChalkLine

      Your still peddling that trash you keep recycling that someone at defendthehate.org wrote?

      Your source is an anti-gay christian website and organization.

      The nazis were anti-gay christians too.

      • MyChalkLine

        Oh are these denigrations you posted your dumb idea of “debate”?

        • HoosYoDaddy

          You are in WAY OVER YOUR IGNORANT HEAD with the vast majority of well informed posters and patriots that are in the vast majority on this site, and nationwide from coast to coast! You know, the ones that want to protect and preserve our values, traditions, economy and exceptional nation, the “enemies” of regressives according to you and your Dear Dense Leader..moron.

          Get back to your pathetic existence monitoring Fox for Media Matters..in your underwear..drinking Kool Aid and eating free cheese in Mom’s basement, while the rest of us intelligent adults carry on with our well informed correspondence, while paying our bills…and yours!

          • MyChalkLine

            You’re not a very perceptive idiot.

            I’m a libertarian not at all an Obama supporter.

            I fall closely in line with the tea party agenda on all economic issues.

            I don’t care how informed you believe yourself to be, we have inalienable rights, you can’t vote away someone elses rights in a republic, this isn’t a democracy.

            For as informed as you claim to be I’m a regular fox viewer indeed, but media matters isn’t a reliable source.

            None of this makes you look like less a bigot when you are disputing someone elses rights, like you own them and can REGULATE them as you and your religion see fit.

            You love our constitution and it’s freedom?

            Well then who the f^*$ are you to restrict my freedom to marry to your religious concept?

          • MyChalkLine

            Oh and as long as you dumb republicans didn’t elect romney i was prepared to give you my vote.

            The more i hear bigot voices like the ones here the less i can in conscience support your hate or his, you’re not using a winning strategy against Obama and you’re just to dumb to recognize it.

            I’ll stay home with my vote against the Socialist, and you Bigots can lose with Romney for another four years of Obamanomics to us all.

            Yeah sure you’re so informed you can’t see the nose on your face.

          • HoosYoDaddy

            Puhleeze…you are a misguided and obvious plant! That “I am a libertarian with conservative economic values that also happens to believe in the destruction of our culture and disagree with Barry while agreeing with him and calling conservatives stupid and intolerant” garbage will not fly here either, you clown poser. It has been tried and failed repeatedly..just like Barry’s approach to..well..everything!

            There is NO, repeat NO, Constitutional right to gay (“back-door”…same thing) marriage, anymore than there is a right to marry a cat or a trashcan! Currently, there are only (6) radical out-of-the-mainstream “states” that have approved it. That leaves 44 (or 51 with Obamamath) that do not approve of nor allow gay (non) marriage, a clear and overwhelming majority!

            The destruction of the moral fiber has led to the collapse and extinction of every great government and civilization in history..the U.S. will continue to be the exceptional exception, in spite of middle-of-the-road mediocre losers like you and your ilk. You are either part of the problem or part of the solution, and you are clearly the latter.

            Go draw a chalk line in the HuffingandPuffington Post sand, or go do some actual research and smoke some more dope, “libby”.

          • MyChalkLine

            like i said you can’t see the nose on your face.

            You drive votes from your own candidates by adopting bigotry to your strategy.

            “a plant” seriously? how paranoid are you?

            I’m not beholden to party, or anyone but myself, lest of all you.

          • HoosYoDaddy

            Moderation has also been tried, and failed. True conservatives don’t need or want your spinelss p.c. vote, We The People will make Barry a one-term failed POTUS.

          • MyChalkLine

            Not with this cocky bigot attitude you won’t.

            You think this attracts voters who don’t already think like you?

            You’re getting so sure of yourselves but you had votes like mine in 2010

            You haven’t given me a single reason to join you in voting for your candidate or even to vote.

            That’s the problem with social issues they will tear apart a coalition, and you will fail to beat Obama.

            If you truly enjoy freedom then don’t seek to limit it for others, no one is infringing on your rights, you’re not being asked to marry anyone or support gay marriage at all.

            I tried to explain to you I already have this civil right, your threats to limit my rights or take them away aren’t inspiring confidence in your freedom agenda. And they aren’t making me lose sleep either, you’re powerless.

            :) I don’t need you as much as you don’t realize you need me. :)

          • MyChalkLine

            Not with this attitude you won’t.

            You think this attracts voters who don’t already think like you?

            You’re getting so sure of yourselves but you had votes like mine in 2010

            You haven’t given me a single reason to join you in voting for your candidate or even to vote.

            That’s the problem with social issues they will tear apart a coalition, and you will fail to beat Obama.

            If you truly enjoy freedom then don’t seek to limit it for others, no one is infringing on your rights, you’re not being asked to marry anyone or support gay marriage at all.

            I tried to explain to you I already have this civil right, your threats to limit my rights or take them away aren’t inspiring confidence in your freedom agenda. And they aren’t making me lose sleep either, you’re powerless.

            I don’t need you as much as you don’t realize you need me.

          • HoosYoDaddy

            That’s the point moron, voters like me are in the vast majority, are sick of ambiguous, entitled creeps like you with situational, if any, values and ethics, and we will take back our country, White House and Senate in 2012, like it or not.

          • MyChalkLine

            saying you have the votes while telling voters you don’t need them if they won’t toe your “values” line doesn’t sound like a winner to me.

            I’m still not interested in what these candidates have offered.

            I expected a candidate with more opposition to Obama in 2012.

            Now you think a “values” candidate as opposed to an economic candidate is correct?

            We learn from failure, good luck.

      • truebearing

        The Nazis were Nazis, fool. Nazism and Christianity are exclusive of each other, though I doubt you are interested in the truth. Your only interest is spreading the homo-dogma, even if that includes lying to further your HomoFascist agenda.

        Get something straight, hypocritical bigot: I don’t care what you want, or like. I will express my opinion to the best of my ability, and if your lies are a casualty, so much the better.

        You better get used to me posting excerpts from The Pink Swastika. It has the homosexual agenda nailed to the wall, which is precisely why it pisses you off. Tough sh!t. Every time I see your pathetic drivel, I will post an excerpt, as I see fit.

        You HomoNazis really have a problem with free speech, or the rights of anyone but your selves. It is a testimony to your pathological levels of narcissism.

        • MyChalkLine

          “which is precisely why it pisses you off”

          You have no idea how calm i remain sweetheart.

          I haven’t read your swastika garbage once.

          I told you your source is discredited.

          defendthehate.org is the author of every idea and belief you spout, i haven’t seen an original thought that didn’t include a baseless accusation or immature insult from you.

          why would i raise my blood pressure for your pettiness?

      • Sidney Allen Johnson

        WRONG!!!
        The Nazi party was riddled with homosexuals who thoroughly savored prosecuting their non-homosexual political enemies under the paragraph 175 anti-homosexual law. Imagine the horror of being a heterosexual charged with being a homosexual and your accusers ARE homosexuals themselves. This is the true nature of evil.

        Why do you think homosexuals to this day still laugh at those who disapprove of their lifestyle and accuse them of being homosexuals? It is part of their history.

        Tolerate homosexuals today and you will serve them tomorrow!

        • MyChalkLine

          “Tolerate homosexuals today and you will serve them tomorrow!”

          Dear do you realize you sound exactly like Goebbels.

          So you think being INTOLERANT will solve your homosexual “problem?”

          • MyChalkLine

            Oh by the way when you’re “serving” me tommorrow i like my coffee with cream and sugar.

    • riseabove

      Regardless of everything you posted, Truebearing, it still isn’t Christianlike to propogate hatred. That isn’t the message we should be sending, especially to those who may be struggling with their sexual identity. I would never have developed a closer relationship with God had people treated me with such hostility and derision.

      Remember that Lot was the one who pleaded for the righteous in Sodom and Gomorrah to be saved. He wasn’t out there hooting and hollering for fire and brimstone to rain down on those cities. He wasn’t judging and condemning others. He wanted more time so that God-fearing individuals could be saved, and that’s the attitude I try to portray because I remember my own spiritual and emotional anguish over the years as I progressed through that journey of exploration and identification. I know how hurtful people can be. The last thing I want to be is salt in a wound. Better to offer people hope.

      • MyChalkLine

        you’re right to assume you still have time to save your own soul.

        don’t give up your hope

        • HoosYoDaddy

          You are pathetic..and a person with no values or morals is in no position to be preaching about child rearing or soul saving, you perverted hypocrite.

          • MyChalkLine

            “You are pathetic..and a person with no values or morals is in no position to be preaching about child rearing or soul saving, you perverted hypocrite”

            Spoken like a true hypocrite

            I imagine your condemnations come in handy for your style of “child rearing or soul saving”.

      • truebearing

        I think if you read The Pink Swastika, or at least parts of it, you will notice they are concerned with the radical, militant homosexual movement that was represeted in Germany by the activities of the Brownshirts, and Hitler. It is an extreme and ruthless mentality, and it is evil. That doesn’t mean all homosexuals are that way or that I categorize all of them as radical exremists. I don’t.

        ChalkHead has been making stupid and provocative comments on this thread and others. I thought it might be good for him to get some facts about the history of the radical gay movement, especially from a historical context. Yes, it’s ugly, but so is what the militant gays are doing, and so are some of his comments. I’m sick and tired of the tyranny-of-the-weak strategy used by these people. They proved themselves plenty strong when they were beating up and murdering Jews and Christians in Wiemar Germany.

        The authors of The Pink Swastika may be overzealous, I can’t say without reading the entire book and checking all of their sources. Even then, historians don’t always agree and leftist historians are notorious revisionists. One thing I do know is that what they are saying matches other sources, and the patterns of behavior of the Nazis of that era match the tactics I see being used by the leftist gays today. Read the book, or at least some of it, and tell me what you think. You know I respect your opinion. I definitely don’t value ChalkHead’s.

        • MyChalkLine

          Facts aren’t what you peddle, you peddle obviously absurd revisionist history and only serve to lower the credibility of the defendthehate.org that published it.

          Now the real test of your propaganda is WHAT HAS IT OR CAN IT DO?

          a: NOTHING, TOTAL FAILURE!

          :) You still won’t be undoing Gay Marriage, or stop the expansion to all 50 states, and it seems to make your blood boil :)

        • riseabove

          And I value your opinions, too, TB. I just think it’s important to keep things in perspective. For instance, we are not responsible for how our own ancestors treated blacks two hundred years ago, and likewise today’s gays should not bear the guilt and burden of what homosexuals may have done many, many years ago. Atrocities have occured throughout history by all kinds of people. We can’t just single out one group. Look at the bigger picture.

          “Throughout the course of history, empires have come and gone. Every conceivable form of human government has been tried. Time and again, however, dreadful things have happened to the human family. “Man has dominated man to his injury,” a Bible writer wisely concluded some 3,000 years ago. (Ecclesiastes 8:9) “It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step,” wrote the prophet Jeremiah. (Jeremiah 10:23) Even scientific and technological achievements of recent years have not negated the truth of these statements. The passage of time has only proved these observations to be true.”

          From: Why Wickedness Continues
          http://www.watchtower.org/e/20070915/article_02.htm

          • truebearing

            rise,

            If the radical homosexual agenda was a thing of the past, I would consider the role of homosexuals in the Nazi Party an anomaly, but one of horrible consequences nonetheless. That isn’t my point, however. I posted this info to point out the similarities between the Fascistic homosexual agenda of the extremist homosexuals in our country today and those in the Nazi Party in WWII Germany.

            Their is no denying the rabid, hate-filled behavior of the activists for gay marriage, and other special gay “rights”. As usual, the left has succeeded in fostering the mentality of victimhood, class warfare, and revenge among the most unhinged element among homosexuals, and it appears that it is a pretty high percentage that are involved.

            The bottom line is that they will paint anyone who disagrees with their agenda as a bigot, or the ridiculously innaccurate “homophobic”. It’s Alinsky 101, as usual. They are using the exact same tactics as were used in pre-war Germany, and Brownshirt comparisons have never been more appropriate.