EXCLUSIVE: In Private, Trump Aide George Papadopoulos Denies Collusion
- Papadopoulos has not spoken publicly about the case against him
- Sources say Papadopoulos has privately downplayed the conversations that are the subject of the FBI investigation
- Sources also say Papadopoulos has privately denied collusion with the Russians
More than six months have passed since George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI and began cooperating with special counsel Robert Mueller’s Russia investigation. In that span, speculation has swirled about whether the President Donald Trump’s former campaign adviser holds the keys to collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian government.
Democrats, including California Rep. Adam Schiff, routinely cite Papadopoulos as a possible Trump campaign conduit to Russia, and his Oct. 5 guilty plea and subsequent cooperation with Mueller has fueled speculation that he has provided damaging information about the Trump campaign’s activities.
Papadopoulos, an energy consultant who lives in Chicago, has not spoken publicly about the case against him. But two sources familiar with his thinking say that he has privately denied that he was involved in any collusion scheme. Sources say he has also downplayed the significance of conversations that he had in London with two separate diplomats in which Hillary Clinton’s emails were allegedly discussed.
Those alleged discussions about emails would later prompt the FBI to open a counterintelligence intelligence investigation into the Trump team.
As part of his plea deal with Mueller, Papadopoulos acknowledged Joseph Mifsud, a professor and former Maltese diplomat, told him during a conversation in London on April 26, 2016, he had learned the Russian government had possession of “thousands” of Clinton-related emails. But sources familiar with Papadopoulos’ thinking say he has told associates he did not see, handle or disseminate Clinton emails.
Papadopoulos has also said he believes that the emails in question were the 30,000-plus emails that Clinton deleted in Dec. 2014 before turning her State Department emails over to the agency. Clinton’s deleted records were a hot topic of debate during the 2016 presidential campaign, well before WikiLeaks began releasing emails that were stolen from the DNC and Clinton campaign.
In his plea, Papadopoulos acknowledged he lied to FBI agents during a Jan. 27, 2017, interview about his contacts with Mifsud and two of the professor’s Russian associates. He was arrested on July 27, 2017, at Dulles airport after an overseas trip. He faces up to six months in jail for lying to the FBI.
TheDCNF has also learned previously unreported details about a second conversation that Papadopoulos had in London, this one with Alexander Downer, Australia’s top diplomat to the United Kingdom.
The New York Times first reported in December the meeting took place. Downer claimed Papadopoulos drunkenly bragged to to him about Clinton-related emails, according to The Times. The newspaper reported it was not known whether Downer was fishing for answers from Papadopoulos.
What exactly Papadopoulos told Downer remains unclear. What Downer and the Australian government told U.S. officials is also a mystery. The ex-Trump aide has told associates that he did not discuss anything nefarious with the Australian diplomat.
TheDCNF is told that Papadopoulos was introduced to Downer through two intermediaries. An Israeli embassy official in London named Christian Cantor introduced Papadopoulos, who he previously knew, to Erika Thompson, a counselor to Downer who serves in the Australia’s London embassy.
Papadopoulos was front-and-center in the British press because of comments he made about David Cameron, the U.K. prime minister at the time. On May 4, 2016, Papadopoulos gave an interview to The London Times calling on Cameron to apologize to Trump over negative comments about the then-GOP candidate.
Thompson reached out to Papadopoulos two days after that story appeared and said Downer wanted to meet with the young Trump aide. During the meeting, which TheDCNF is told Thompson attended, Downer ordered Papadopoulos to “leave David Cameron alone.”
Downer could not be reached for comment, and Thompson did not respond to numerous emails. Papadopoulos’s lawyers also declined comment for this article.
The House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence is interested in finding out how the information from Downer made its way to the FBI.
In late-July 2016, Australia’s ambassador to the U.S., Joe Hockey, told his American counterparts about Downer’s claims about the Papadopoulos conversation. The Aussies sat on the information for two months but revisited the Papadopoulos information after WikiLeaks released emails stolen from the Democratic National Committee.
That leak occurred on July 22, 2016. The FBI opened its counterintelligence investigation on July 31, 2016. Peter Strzok, the FBI’s deputy chief of counterintelligence at the time, oversaw the investigation.
Strzok was removed from Mueller’s Russia team in July 2017 after he was found to have exchanged anti-Trump text messages with FBI attorney Lisa Page. Those texts also suggest Strzok traveled to London just days after the investigation was opened to meet with someone from the Australian embassy.
“[Redacted’ talked about the Embassy. It’s the longest continuously staffed establishment in London,” Strzok wrote to Page in an Aug. 2, 2016 text message. The Australian embassy in London matches Strzok’s description.
Papadopoulos was not interviewed by FBI agents until Jan. 27, 2017, nearly six months after the start of the investigation. That six month delay is puzzling to both congressional investigators and to Papadopoulos. He has wondered to associates why, if he was actually suspected of conspiring with the Russian government, the bureau would have waited so long to contact him.
The FBI’s investigation appeared to focus instead on Carter Page, another energy consultant who joined the Trump campaign’s foreign policy team at the same time as Papadopoulos. Relying heavily on the infamous and unverified Steele dossier, the FBI and Justice Department obtained a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant on Page on Oct. 21, 2016. The agencies successfully obtained three more surveillance warrants on Page over the next nine months.
Papadopoulos first met Mifsud in Italy on March 14, 2016, about a week after Papadopoulos officially joined the Trump team. Prior to that, Papadopoulos served in the Ben Carson presidential campaign.
Papadopoulos acknowledged to prosecutors that he lied when he initially claimed that he interacted with Mifsud and the Russians prior to joining the Trump team in early March 2016. In fact, Papadopoulos first met Mifsud on March 14, 2016 in Italy. The pair had worked at the London Centre of International Law Practice but reportedly did not know each other.
Papadopoulos and Mifsud soon began corresponding and discussing arranging meetings between the Trump campaign and Russian government officials. Emails and Facebook messages cited in court filings submitted by the special counsel show that Papadopoulos pitched campaign officials numerous times on holding meetings. He made one pitch personally to Trump during a March 31, 2016, meeting of the national security team.
There is no evidence that those meetings took place.
On April 18, 2016, Mifsud, who worked at the time as a professor at the University of Stirling, introduced Papadopoulos to Ivan Timofeev, an official at a state-sponsored think tank called Russian International Affairs Council. Timofeev, who told Papadopoulos he had links to the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs, communicated with the Trump adviser over Skype about setting up meetings with the campaign.In an April 26, 2016, meeting in London, Mifsud told Papadopoulos that he had recently met in Moscow with high-level Russian government officials who claimed to have “dirt” on Clinton. Papadopoulos told the FBI Mifsud said “the Russians had emails of Clinton” and “they have thousands of emails.”
Papadopoulos emailed Trump campaign adviser Stephen Miller the next day, saying he had “interesting messages coming in from Moscow about a meeting when the time is right.”
Miller did not respond to the email, but it is unclear whether Papadopoulos told Miller, who currently works in the White House, or anyone else on the campaign about Mifsud’s comments about emails. TheDCNF’s sources did not say whether Papadopoulos told the campaign of Mifsud’s remarks.
Mifsud could not be reached for comment. He has gone underground in the months since his name surfaced publicly.